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Base RSX for HS

Last post 10-15-2008, 11:15 AM by ConeDodger. 49 replies.
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  •  09-29-2008, 3:11 PM 324274

    Base RSX for HS

    So I have been running my 2003 Acura RSX in HS for local events and have been wanting to prep it for national competition.i plan on running motegi track traklite 16x6.5'' rims with dunlop direzza sport z1 star specs for tires, larger progress front swaybar, custom 2.5" exhaust, and koni sport adjustable struts.how does that setup sound?
    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  09-29-2008, 3:36 PM 324280 in reply to 324274

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    Sounds like you need to look at 710's or A6's instead. Squeeze at least a 245 tire on the front wheels and a 205 or 225 on the back.

    I know a few people have thought about a RSX for H stock and it's certainly not a mini but the Type S version in GS would be a hell of a great car for that class IF the Cooper S was not there.

    Bret


    Bret
    Camaro SS FS
  •  09-29-2008, 4:03 PM 324289 in reply to 324280

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    well, while r comps would be nice, i do not feel as though i am ready for them. i have only done 2 events in  this car, and have only been auto-xing for 1 year. i feel like r comps would cover up a lot of my mistakes. i want to be a better driver than my tires before i make the change to r comps.
    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  09-29-2008, 6:36 PM 324321 in reply to 324289

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PUxxTjnX2Y

    that is a video from yesterday at the trscca event. any critiques are appreciated. second run was nasty, i know, but the last few were good runs considering that im on all season touring tires. i did well in results and placed 6th out of 21 in novice class and trophied for the first time.


    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  09-29-2008, 9:12 PM 324361 in reply to 324321

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    You gotta learn to drive R Comps and some point and if you are running them now you don't have to "learn" them. Plus it makes this a whole hell of a lot more fun! I still don't know how those ST guys do this, street tires suck in comparison!
    Bret
    Camaro SS FS
  •  09-29-2008, 9:43 PM 324364 in reply to 324361

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    i would rather learn to control the car on ST than R-comps. r comps are just gunna make me seem like a better driver. when in fact, it is more the tire than the driver. i love the feeling of being on the edge of grip with ST. i also may end up running in the tire class for next season.
    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  09-29-2008, 9:45 PM 324366 in reply to 324361

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    You might try Ryan Weddle here in Illinois for setup advice.  He ran a type-S locally in STX (street tires) that's been as fast as Chris Fenter on occasion.

    http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/2006/event2_index.html

     


    Brian Jones #29 STS ChicagoReg
    http://maxima.cardomain.com/id/bejay1
  •  09-29-2008, 9:55 PM 324369 in reply to 324366

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    stx is a little different from hs. i dont know how it would be much help to talk to him, especially since he has a type-s in stx and i have a base model in hs.
    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  10-01-2008, 5:04 PM 324773 in reply to 324364

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    ConeDodger:
    i would rather learn to control the car on ST than R-comps. r comps are just gunna make me seem like a better driver. when in fact, it is more the tire than the driver. i love the feeling of being on the edge of grip with ST. i also may end up running in the tire class for next season.

    Ok, but same problems apply but just at a higher speed... H-stock is a momentum class, so scrubbing off speed on either tire will be apparent, problem is you will just have things coming at you at a slower rate with the street tires thus making it easier on you and hiding your shortcomings even better. If it was me I would just get R-comps and not have to go thru as many learning curves. You might think it's masking problems but the peakier slip angle curve of a R comp will actually show your problems much faster than the street tires will.

     


    Bret
    Camaro SS FS
  •  10-01-2008, 7:43 PM 324810 in reply to 324274

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    Koni's, K&N, cat back, and a bigger front sway bar would be a great start, but 710's or A6's will transform the car. I and my different co-drivers are the only ones that I am aware of that have run the base model at national events. So far the car has been very course dependent. Great for sweeper and more wide open courses, but not so good on slalom or transition heavy courses. It is a good ProSolo car as it has a bit more hp than the MINI. I ran about an 1/8" inch toe out up front with zero rear toe to help with rotation, as well as maxing out the front negative camber. I cannot say how the car responds to sway bar/shocks as I have been on stock bar and struts the last few years. I have not won a national event, but have finished 2nd a couple of times. This season I actually ran the 215/40 16 Kumho 710 for better gearing. I was on these for the DC ProSolo where I finished second to GJ Dixon.
    Scott Hoffman

    HS '06 Acura RSX
  •  10-01-2008, 11:19 PM 324858 in reply to 324810

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    nats and street tires don't belong in the same sentence if you're talking about a stock class.

    wheelspecs.com
  •  10-02-2008, 1:02 AM 324873 in reply to 324810

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    thanks for your input. i am gunna try my hand at prosolo sometime soon. never tried that before. i am going to think about r comps, i really want to compete at class level and maybe a few divisional and national events next year. i am going to get a good auto-x alignment and a custom exhaust and lighter rims to start and then try the swaybar and r comps.
    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  10-02-2008, 1:49 PM 324956 in reply to 324810

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    Yet you have Koni's just sitting there.....  Confused 

    Why'd you buy them (though I thank you for doing so) if you aren't going to use them????


    Sam Strano
    Strano Performance Parts
    814-849-3450
  •  10-02-2008, 3:05 PM 324966 in reply to 324810

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    ConeMasher:
    Koni's, K&N, cat back, and a bigger front sway bar would be a great start, but 710's or A6's will transform the car. I and my different co-drivers are the only ones that I am aware of that have run the base model at national events. So far the car has been very course dependent. Great for sweeper and more wide open courses, but not so good on slalom or transition heavy courses. It is a good ProSolo car as it has a bit more hp than the MINI. I ran about an 1/8" inch toe out up front with zero rear toe to help with rotation, as well as maxing out the front negative camber. I cannot say how the car responds to sway bar/shocks as I have been on stock bar and struts the last few years. I have not won a national event, but have finished 2nd a couple of times. This season I actually ran the 215/40 16 Kumho 710 for better gearing. I was on these for the DC ProSolo where I finished second to GJ Dixon.

    Definately run the 215/40/16 v710, 215/40/17 v710, or 225/40/17 A6, while you may feel you're not ready for r-comps the sizes I've recommended will force you to modulate throttle and braking more precisely because they will be very unforgiving with sloppy inputs. The problem with a 225/50/16, 245/45/16, or 245/40/17 is their overall diameter, yes they give you more tire to work with but the rsx (both base and type s) can barely get out of their own way on an autox course. In stock form the rsx also has a high cg so with a smaller diameter tire you can lower the gc while keeping the car's roll center's intact especially with the 215/40/16 which basically drops the car one inch compared to 225/50/16(22.6" OD vs 24.7" OD). Another plus is the tire weight savings, you will save 5 lbs per tire and to me saving 5 lbs of unsprung weight per corner is helpful. Now for the cons, like I said earlier you will be forced to modulate throttle and braking better, because while you've gained a gearing advantage your ability to hook up off the corner will be reduced due to reduced slip angle available. So once you've mastered control of you right foot the sooner you can put the gearing advantage to good use. 

    I do have to say this though, I have a type s, I have never driven on 215/40/16's but have used 225/50/16 v710's and felt the car lacked accelleration, it hooked up good off the corner but that was it, if there was a chance to let the rpms rise on course the car felt like it was in slow mo. Like Scott said the tire is course dependant and will shine on the wide open courses  but I think with some good car control it can shine on the tighter courses too. I will be giving the 215/40/16 v710's a try next weekend at the BMR event and will come back and commentate on whether my thoughts actually manifest results.

    My input will be this, get tires first and forget about everything else for now, try the 215/40/16 v710 and drive the crap out of them, learn what your car is doing but be conscious of your driving (throttle and brake modulation), improve your driving, then focus on where you're still having trouble and use dampers and sways to find a good balance in the car.

    BTW since I've been autoxn (which really isn't that long), I've always felt the base RSX is one of the few cars that can present a challenge to the mini's and there just needs to be a few more people who feel like trying to prove it, so keep at it. Oh and the 215/40/16 v710's  are ~$100 cheaper per set versus a set of 225/50/16's.


    NYR STS #24 2002 Acura RSX type S

    2007 NYR STS Champion
  •  10-02-2008, 3:31 PM 324969 in reply to 324956

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    01 FS Z28:

    Yet you have Koni's just sitting there.....  Confused 

    Why'd you buy them (though I thank you for doing so) if you aren't going to use them????

    Ask the guy who bought them.Rollseyes

    Supposedly they go on his car next season. He refused to let me put them on MINE. It goes back to Acura in April before next season starts.


    Scott Hoffman

    HS '06 Acura RSX
  •  10-03-2008, 12:55 AM 325081 in reply to 324969

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    wow, thanks for all the input. i may rethink my options, but i want to get thoughts from my co-driver at the next event to see what he thinks. maybe he will go in part on a set of tires for me.


    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  10-03-2008, 9:25 AM 325113 in reply to 325081

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    ConeDodger:

    wow, thanks for all the input. i may rethink my options, but i want to get thoughts from my co-driver at the next event to see what he thinks. maybe he will go in part on a set of tires for me.

     BTW - You guys can probably get a full season on a set of 710's without a problem. Just rotate them each event, and flip them (outer edge inside) after about 50-60 runs.


    Scott Hoffman

    HS '06 Acura RSX
  •  10-03-2008, 10:03 AM 325127 in reply to 325113

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    that would be cool since r comps are so expensive.
    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  10-07-2008, 12:37 PM 325738 in reply to 325127

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    another thing i was thinking about if cost vs. effectiveness on shocks. i have looked at all the rsx shocks and have been trying to figure out if motons are really worth it. i know they are amazingly engineered, but 6000 bux for double adjustables, how hard are they to adjust and do they perform taht much better than konis? has anyone used motons in HS, and how does a moton equipped car do against a koni equipped one?


    Scott Malloy

    NHS 15 2003 Acura RSX (Base)
  •  10-07-2008, 1:55 PM 325748 in reply to 325738

    Re: Base RSX for HS

    Wow, I wouldn't even be thinking about $6000 dampers yet or even dual adjustable KONI's. Dampers can make a would of difference but you really need to be driving your car at 10/10ths first to take advantage of them. Best bet is to find a used set of KONI sports single adjustable's cheap and get them revalved, or at least get a pair of sports for the front used, revalve them, and then contact KONI or Truchoice and purchase a set of DA's for the rear of the car where you really need the adjustability. Honestly you will have an easier time at first with the single adjustable dampers and as your skills advance keep researching suspension design and tuning, so when you're ready to make the jump to DA damper you will at least be familiar with how the damper behaves at different points of the suspension stroke.
    NYR STS #24 2002 Acura RSX type S

    2007 NYR STS Champion
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