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2009 Nationals and Pro Finale moving?

Last post 2 hours, 54 minutes ago by Sean O'Gorman. 714 replies.
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  •  06-26-2008, 5:11 PM 307502 in reply to 307500

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    conekiller:

    OK... Final map... The most centrally location for Nationals based on last years attendance....*

     

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=38.26520394,%09-95.24439709&ie=UTF8&ll=38.711233,-94.817505&spn=1.881625,4.064941&z=8 

     

    * The small handful of Canada and one Alaska competitor were not used to come up with the location.

     

    Rick 

    Yep, see!  It's east of Topeka!  Stick out tongue
    Jer
    #196 ES
    #187 SS retired
  •  06-26-2008, 5:14 PM 307504 in reply to 307502

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Man, that is so far from where we actually have Nationals.... if I was trying to hit a golf ball that far, LOL.

    That is pretty crazy!!!! 


    Jason Frank
    Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

    TeamUndercoatRacing.com
  •  06-26-2008, 5:18 PM 307506 in reply to 307500

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    conekiller:

    OK... Final map... The most centrally location for Nationals based on last years attendance....*

     

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=38.26520394,%09-95.24439709&ie=UTF8&ll=38.711233,-94.817505&spn=1.881625,4.064941&z=8 

     

    * The small handful of Canada and one Alaska competitor were not used to come up with the location.

     

    Rick 

    I would say it isn't entirely relevant, statistically, because of sampling bias (i.e. more attendees form major eastern population centers because of shorter distance, relative to west coast population centers, skews numbers)...But, interestingly enough, it also happens to be (pretty much) dead nuts center of the geographic U.S.,, so I guess my whole idea of moving Nationals farther west is off base...just wishfull thinking of a guy who, currently, is looking at an 1800 mile tow that could increase...


    In slow, out fast.
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  •  06-26-2008, 5:46 PM 307509 in reply to 307506

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    mwood:
    conekiller:

    OK... Final map... The most centrally location for Nationals based on last years attendance....*

     

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=38.26520394,%09-95.24439709&ie=UTF8&ll=38.711233,-94.817505&spn=1.881625,4.064941&z=8 

     

    * The small handful of Canada and one Alaska competitor were not used to come up with the location.

     

    Rick 

    I would say it isn't entirely relevant, statistically, because of sampling bias (i.e. more attendees form major eastern population centers because of shorter distance, relative to west coast population centers, skews numbers)...But, interestingly enough, it also happens to be (pretty much) dead nuts center of the geographic U.S.,, so I guess my whole idea of moving Nationals farther west is off base...just wishfull thinking of a guy who, currently, is looking at an 1800 mile tow that could increase...

     I could live with El Toro!


    Jim Mueller
    FSP 2003 Focus
  •  06-26-2008, 6:16 PM 307516 in reply to 307509

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Screw it, I vote for Vegas. We could spend some of that huge windfall of money SCCA should have gotten this year, requiring every solo competitor at local events to be a member, to do an awesome banquet and get awesome facilities at LVMS.

    -Aaron G>

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  •  06-26-2008, 7:04 PM 307521 in reply to 307506

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    mwood:
    conekiller:

    OK... Final map... The most centrally location for Nationals based on last years attendance....*

     

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=38.26520394,%09-95.24439709&ie=UTF8&ll=38.711233,-94.817505&spn=1.881625,4.064941&z=8 

     

    * The small handful of Canada and one Alaska competitor were not used to come up with the location.

     

    Rick 

    I would say it isn't entirely relevant, statistically, because of sampling bias (i.e. more attendees form major eastern population centers because of shorter distance, relative to west coast population centers, skews numbers)...But, interestingly enough, it also happens to be (pretty much) dead nuts center of the geographic U.S.,, so I guess my whole idea of moving Nationals farther west is off base...just wishfull thinking of a guy who, currently, is looking at an 1800 mile tow that could increase...

     

    I would agree with you to a point... if Nationals was in, say, Las Vegas... the center of population of the entrants would be much further west, because a certain % of the east coast wouldn't travell and a certain % of west coasters that doesn't travel would... its still interesting to see how close the center is to where we currently are though...

     

    Rick 


    Rick Cone
    Atlanta Region Director

    STS2 #98
    1991 Mazda Miata - Aqua
  •  06-26-2008, 9:11 PM 307539 in reply to 307516

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

     

    Aufaber:
    Screw it, I vote for Vegas. We could spend some of that huge windfall of money SCCA should have gotten this year, requiring every solo competitor at local events to be a member, to do an awesome banquet and get awesome facilities at LVMS.

     

    Instead of a banquet, National would give each of us casino chips equal to what each person's portion of the dinner would come to.  Then we all gamble with the understanding that all money won goes into the pot for purchase of a Nationals event site. 


    Jim Garry
  •  06-26-2008, 9:29 PM 307543 in reply to 307498

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Does the mean that the Sunflower Aerodrome?

     

    This was one of the National Sites at one time!

     

    Craig


    Craig Straub
  •  06-26-2008, 10:58 PM 307561 in reply to 307500

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    conekiller:

    OK... Final map... The most centrally location for Nationals based on last years attendance....*

     

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=38.26520394,%09-95.24439709&ie=UTF8&ll=38.711233,-94.817505&spn=1.881625,4.064941&z=8 

     

    * The small handful of Canada and one Alaska competitor were not used to come up with the location.

     

    Rick 

    Back in the early 60s Garnett Kansas was the site of a 2.8 mile road course on the streets around Lake Garnett.


    Bryan S.
    Autocross semi-sabbitical 2008
    Thanks Jan for the 06, 07 Mini co-drive
    '91 Miata (STS2 for 09?)
    Course Chief
    Novice Autocross School Chairman
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  •  06-27-2008, 8:43 AM 307596 in reply to 307325

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Well, if the SCCA did run at Area 51, the results would never be published. After all, there would be denials that anything ever happened at a place that does not exist. Now, back to the forums at the Flat Earth Society web site.
    Bob Buxbaum
    Lee's Summit, Mo.
  •  06-27-2008, 9:07 AM 307602 in reply to 307596

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    snaponbob:
    Well, if the SCCA did run at Area 51, the results would never be published. After all, there would be denials that anything ever happened at a place that does not exist. Now, back to the forums at the Flat Earth Society web site.

    Secret Car Club of America

    That would also be good for the folks driving cars from manufacturers with warranty police.

    Maybe be able to tap into that secret alien saucer fuel. ..."Would a Mr. Fusion kit bump me out of stock?"


    Bryan S.
    Autocross semi-sabbitical 2008
    Thanks Jan for the 06, 07 Mini co-drive
    '91 Miata (STS2 for 09?)
    Course Chief
    Novice Autocross School Chairman
    Support my MS 150 Bike Ride: bikemos.nationalmssociety.org
  •  06-27-2008, 9:14 AM 307603 in reply to 307602

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Bryan S:

    ..."Would a Mr. Fusion kit bump me out of stock?"

     

    Not if there is proof that is was an available option, port installed or otherwise, for your already classed car.Stick out tongue


    Tim R
    #80 2006 Honda S2000
  •  06-27-2008, 6:51 PM 307711 in reply to 307603

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    treinhar:
    Bryan S:

    ..."Would a Mr. Fusion kit bump me out of stock?"

     

    Not if there is proof that is was an available option, port installed or otherwise, for your already classed car.Stick out tongue

    WHAT !?!?!?!?!?!?!?! A "trunk kit"? No f'n way. Those GXP Z0K's and Miatas were SO correct that even God approved them (in a drug induced alternate reality). Remember, all you need is for somebody to assign a part number that can be ordered. ORDERED is the operative word. And man did NOT walk on the moon, the Earth IS flat, and life started no more than 7000 years ago.  


    Bob Buxbaum
    Lee's Summit, Mo.
  •  06-27-2008, 7:27 PM 307713 in reply to 307711

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?


    In slow, out fast.
    In fast, out backwards.
  •  07-13-2008, 9:43 PM 309969 in reply to 307713

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    60 days later, anyone...
    Darryl Wrolson
    1993 BMW 325is STX
  •  07-13-2008, 10:48 PM 309980 in reply to 309969

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    I doubt a decision has been made yet.  I wouldn't expect an announcement before the Town Hall at Nationals.
    2002 Mercedes C230k, retired, 2005 Nationals STU DFL

    1969 Beach Solo Vee and 1985 Lynx B Solo Vee
  •  07-14-2008, 9:07 AM 310021 in reply to 309980

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Sooner would be nice, but you're probably right on the timing.  I'm just hoping that we get to go back to real grip.  I've heard there might be work on getting a new deal at HPT.....I hope not. 

    Atleast the rumors are keeping us busy while we wait.

     Jeff Christianson

  •  07-14-2008, 9:16 AM 310026 in reply to 310021

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    There will be no deal with HPT unless Ray Irwin has made a significant change in his position that the Nationals are not wanted at HPT.
    2002 Mercedes C230k, retired, 2005 Nationals STU DFL

    1969 Beach Solo Vee and 1985 Lynx B Solo Vee
  •  07-14-2008, 1:14 PM 310072 in reply to 310026

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Lynn:
    There will be no deal with HPT unless Ray Irwin has made a significant change in his position that the Nationals are not wanted at HPT.

     You mean like by being offered a check?  Money talks a different language.


    Patrick Washburn
    STU Evo
    www.winghats.com
  •  07-14-2008, 1:22 PM 310076 in reply to 310072

    Re: 2009 Nationals and Pro Finale? Not only where but when?

    Patrick Washburn:

    Lynn:
    There will be no deal with HPT unless Ray Irwin has made a significant change in his position that the Nationals are not wanted at HPT.

     You mean like by being offered a check?  Money talks a different language.

    Check from who?

    From SCCA for "rental"?  If thats the case, get ready for $2-300 entry fees.  Maybe more if only 200 people show up. :) 

    From the Government?  The Kansas Taxpayers have to be a bit sore from being ass raped (IMO) already, don't you think?  I can't imagine them paying more money to keep us, but there is an outside chance that they could change Raymond's mind by effecting the terms of money already given. 

    DaveW

     

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