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Vorshlag Annoucement Thread for all LS1 Swap Development
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11 Jul 2013 10:11 AM

    Vorshlag is your Home for LS1 Swaps

    Most people know Vorshlag for our automotive suspension solutions, but we've also been in the V8 swap market for over a decade. We put the first LS1 V8 into a BMW back in 2002. Doing work in our own and friends' home garages our first BMW E36 LS1 V8 swap was completed in 2005, even before Vorshlag was incorporated into a real business. By 2007 we had E36 LS1 production swap parts available and have been developing more BMW LS1 solutions ever since. We have even completed E30 LS1 swaps, like the one for a magazine shootout we won in 2011, but that engine install just wasn't feasible as a bolt-in exercise like the E36 (we will do one-off, turn key E30 LSx swaps though). The E36 and Z3 swaps have been the bulk of our LS1 swap business since 2007, but we are expanding that now, so this new "broad based LS1 swap" forum announcement thread makes sense. I will update this thread whenever we have any new products to offer for the various LS1 swaps we support, instead of burying new product releases in our various project build threads, like I did previously.

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    Initially we got a lot of flak from BMW purists for doing these "bastardized" domestic V8 swaps into fine German sports cars. But after so many kits have been built, more and more people have ridden in or driven an LS1 V8 powered BMW E36 - and as we've seen, one test drive quickly turns disdain into desire. It helped when BMW themselves put V8 engines into their own E46 M3 GTR race cars, then into all production E92 M3s, implying that our V8 swap wasn't such a crazy idea. With GM LSx engines being made since 1997 in production numbers in the "tens of millions", these compact, lightweight, plentiful and powerful engines have become THE go-to engine for hot rodders, racers and street enthusiasts alike. LS1 BMWs are great on track, in autocrosses, and on the street.

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    More pictures of this beautiful Z3 LS1 can be found here

    We've sold nearly 80 kits since 2007, with many happy customers in both street driven and race car E36 LS1 builds. Our "Stage 0" kit has always been a popular foundation for these swaps. This includes the main parts needed to get the drivetrain into the chassis: custom motor mounts, transmission crossmember, full length exhaust headers, steering shaft, and driveshaft. The Stage 0 was the first kit we released but we have made additional parts available over the years. As Vorshlag has grown we have brought our fabrication and development work in-house, and over the past 12 months we introduced many new sub-system solutions for the E36 LS1 swap. This added to the already extensive list of E36 LS1 swap parts we make.

    Vorshlag E36 LS1 Swap Parts: http://www.vorshlag.com/index.php?cPath=1_4_63

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    • E36 Stage 0 Kit - Includes headers, motor mounts, transmission crossmember, steering shaft and driveshaft (which can all be purchased separately).
    • E36 LS1 Motor Mount Kit - Custom fabricated motor mount assemblies with polyurethane bushings and all necessary mounting hardware.
    • E36 LS1 Full Length Exhaust Headers - Developed by Vorshlag, these American made, 304 stainless full length headers are CNC bent using 1-3/4" diameter primaries and 3" collectors. Kit includes U.S.-made stainless V-bands and O2 bungs.
    • E36 T56 Transmission Crossmember Kit - Available with Nylon or new Polyurethane mount bushing.
    • E36 T56 Driveshaft - We make these for the E36 chassis and the Z3 chassis, in variations for the Tremec T56 and T56 Magnum (TR-6060). Comes with Nylon or Polyurethane mount bushing.
    • E36 Competition Steering Shaft Assembly - We make this to add clearance and heat protection around the exhaust headers, in both E36 and Z3 lengths.
    • E36 ABS Pump Relocation Bracket Kit - This bracket comes in two variations (3 channel and 4 channel) to relocate the ABS pump for header clearance.
    • E36 LS1 4-Channel Brake Hard Line Kit - The 1996-99 M3 version is out and the 1996-98 328 version is coming soon.
    • E36 LS1 3-Channel Brake Hard Line Kit - The 1992-95 non-M and M3 version which uses 3-channel ABS.
    • E36 T56 Hydraulic Throw Out Bearing Kit (w/ remote bleeder) - We take a new hydraulic TOB, add a remote bleed line and a line to connect to the E36 firewall connection (using braided stainless Teflon lines).
    • E36 LS1 Fuel Line Kit - This is a complete kit to plumb fuel from the E36 fuel tank all the way to an LS1 fuel rail.
    • E36 LS1 255 lph Drop In Fuel Pump Kit - This drop in kit includes a new high flow fuel pump, wiring, internal fuel line, and proper clamps. It comes in two styles for your E36 (early and late housings, aka: tan vs blue).
    • E36 Axle Drive Flange Conversion Kit - Convert the 6-bolt axle flanges found on some 1995 M3's to a 4-bolt flange.
    • E36 LS1 Power Steering Hose Kit - This completes the power steering hydraulics, mating the LS1 pump to the E36 rack, including a new loop cooler and AN braided lines.
    • E36 LS1 Stand-Alone Wiring Harness - In it's third revision, and coming soon to production!
    • E36 LS1 Cooling System Kit - We've made several iterations and it is also nearing production release!
    • Air Conditioning Line Kit - Already being built for a cusomer
    • E36 LS1 After-Header Exhaust - We will be offering these soon.

     

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    That is a big list of E36 V8 swap parts, with many of the sub-system kits having been released during the past 12 months. We have more solutions coming to make this E36 LS1 swap as quick and painless as possible for the DIY mechanic, but we already offer Turn Key E36 LS1 builds (as well as Z3 and E30 LS1 swaps) here at Vorshlag. E-mail us (info@vorshlag.com) for pricing and options if you are interested. And while that list of E36 LS1 parts has been growing, we've also been developing parts for another BMW LS1 swap...

    Introducing the Vorshlag E46 LS1 Swap Kit!

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    At long last, Vorshlag is ready to introduce our first round of E46 LS1 swap components. Our E46 V8 swap design began almost two years ago, and there were lengthy delays along the line, but we finally have most of the Stage 0 parts available in production form and in stock now. We finished the production fixtures for the mounts and crossmember and made our first batch in late June/July 2013. The first batch of production headers has arrived and they look and fit great!

    Vorshlag E46 LS1 swap parts: http://www.vorshlag.com/index.php?cPath=1_8_281

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    We wasted three years trying to make an M54 powered BMW perform. Blew up two motors, too. Never again.

    The E46 chassis is finally becoming affordable in used form and we have had too much pressure from customers to not develop this V8 swap kit. Why? Because people are getting tired of the HUGE repair bills when they overheat or blow up factory BMW E46 motors. We've broken a number of E46 motors ourselves, too (see above). I've gone on record saying that the M54 motor (the E46 330's aluminum 3L DOHC straight six) is one of the worst performing, fragile, and expensive engines on the planet, and I stand behind that statement. The non-M motors just don't make much power (the 330 ZHP motor was rated at a whopping 235 hp), and while the S54 makes 333 hp in the M3, they don't make much torque (and cost a FORTUNE to repair or upgrade). All of them are hard to add more than about 20% power over stock, without resorting to expensive boosted solutions - that then become too fragile for track abuse. It is a no-win situation.

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    An all aluminum, 400-500 hp, naturally aspirated LSx V8 is the ultimate fix for the big and expensive engines that come in these cars from the factory. Yes, some people get offended when I talk disparagingly about BMW engines, but I ask you - why? Did you make the darn thing? No? Then don't get offended - it is just a machine. These straight six BMW engines really are more fragile, expensive to upgrade/repair, and under-performing when you compare them to many other make/model engines in the same price range. There's also a reason why BMW went to a V8 in the E92 M3 and twin turbos in the 335 and 135/1M. The days of a high winding straight six being the top performing engine at BMW are in the distant past. Long Live the V8!

    So, that's my sales pitch and reasoning behind the E46 LS1 swap. It just... makes sense, makes more power, and damn sure makes for a more fun to drive car. Now let me answer the questions that we know will arise 1000 times a week after people hear that "the Vorshlag kit is out". I am saying this now: we have the first round of parts, but this is not a 100% complete, ready to bolt-in V8 swap kit just yet. Please read this list below before asking your questions. Thanks!

    The E46 LS1 Swap Questions we KNOW you will ask:

    • No, we do not have everything you need for an E46 LS1 swap, yet. This is a much newer development than our more mature E36 LS1 swap. While we would love to have everything ever needed for these swaps on Day 1, that just isn't how we launch our V8 swap products. Many of the early adopters would rather get these E46 LS1 drivetrain mounting and exhaust parts and delve into their projects NOW rather than wait 1-2 years for everything to be fully developed at Vorshlag for a near bolt-in solution.
    • We don't have hours estimates, total project cost estimates, engines for sale, or anything beyond what we have listed above for the E46 LS1 swap at the moment.
    • No, there is no "wiring harness solution" for this E46 swap available from Vorshlag, yet. Yes, we know about the various one-off E46 LS1 builds that are on the internet forums, and the several CAN-BUS wiring solutions they have come up with. We are looking at and in some cases talking to these folks, but we do not have any wiring harness for sale for the E46 at this time. It isn't nearly as easy as the wiring on the E36 chassis, but it is possible and we will pursue it. We will start developing our CAN-BUS friendly wiring solution towards the end of Q4 2013 (we're swamped with in-house turn key E36 LS1 swaps and other service work at the moment). Our "Alpha" E46 LS1 build is going to be more race car than street car, and it will not use the factory gauges, air conditioning, etc.
    • The next parts we will have for the E46 swap are driveshaft options (with variations to connect to the E46 non-M, E46 M3 and Ford 8.8" IRS differentials), which will complete our E46 "Stage 0" kit. We have switched suppliers and the new driveshafts look VERY NICE and come from a well proven company.
    • Since aftermarket gearing and aftermarket differential upgrades are so heinously expensive for the E46 factory diff housings, we are going to develop our own 8.8" Ford aluminum IRS center section swap - and no, we don't have any pricing or ETA yet, but we have parts on hand and this development is underway. Stay tuned, as we will announce any milestones in this thread.
    • We have also not mapped out all of the chassis, ABS, wiring and other differences between all E46 platforms. These cars came to North America in many 6 cylinder versions including: 323, 325, 328, 330, and M3, with 2 doors, 4 doors and wagon models. As we do more swaps, we will surely find some variations needed in sub-system parts, as we have on the E36 chassis.
    • None of our kits are made for Right Hand Drive models, Ti models or 4 cylinder cars that didn't come to North America. Sorry RHD guys, almost nothing from our kits will fit your cars.
    • We are not supporting a CARB-friendly V8 swap (nobody does). Sorry to our California-based fans. Title your cars in another state, or move to an area with more rational emissions laws, heh. You west coasters get all of the beautiful beaches and weather anyway. And all of the fires and earthquakes, too. Lucky!

     

    For those of you who pre-ordered E46 LS1 swap parts, we have called you and started shipping parts today. Anyone else, please feel free to e-mail us at info@vorshlag.com for more questions. Please first try e-mailing us about V8 swaps, and we can resort to phone calls if your questions get complicated. As we add more products to either the E36 or E46 LS1 swaps, I will update them in this thread. Also, feel free to check out our Alpha E46 LS1 swap project thread, in-house E36 LS1 swaps, and our Alpha Miata LS1 swap threads, all of which are located here.

    Now if you already haven't yet, go pull up your area's Craigslist and search for a cheap E46 coupe or sedan! Overheated or blown motors are A-OK. M3, 330, 323, 325, maybe even a wagon? Oh snap! You know you can't resist looking now...

    Thanks,

    Terry Fair @ Vorshlag  

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    11 Jul 2013 04:50 PM
    Wow... tagged for future!
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    11 Jul 2013 07:07 PM

    Looks like a lot of good stuff you guys are doing.

     

    But, why not just buy a C5Z06 and be done with it

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    12 Jul 2013 01:37 PM
    LS7 chrome bumper 911 please....
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    16 Jul 2013 12:44 AM
    a lot of used, cheap Mazda RX8s are in need of a decent LSx kit ....
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    JRL wrote:

    Looks like a lot of good stuff you guys are doing. But, why not just buy a C5Z06 and be done with it

     I've owned and driven several Corvettes myself, and can't argue the performance per dollar figures of a C5Z06 with you... You could be better off financially with just one of these, but some people just don't like the "Corvette experience". The lay-down seating position, limited visibility and sight lines (you can't see the corners of the car), the squeaks and rattles, and the gold chains, heh.

    A BMW E36/46 with an LS1 gives you pretty different experience. You sit more upright and have excellent visibility in these two chassis; you can see the edges of the car; you get that "German car feel" when you close the doors or touch the higher quality interior materials, but still get that gutteral kick in the back when you mash the accelerator - something not normally part of the "BMW Experience".

     

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    a lot of used, cheap Mazda RX8s are in need of a decent LSx kit ....

    We hear ya, Mark, and that is one of our candidates. After we wrap up the E46 and NA/NB Miata LS1 kits the RX8 is on the short list. Much of the same CAN-BUS challenges we face on the E46 are part of the RX8 LS1 forumla (namely, running "two brains": the factory ECM for CAN-BUS systems and the GM LSx ECM for running the engine and sending enough data to the factory brain to think it is running everything).

    Having owned and raced an RX8 I know how well those cars handle, stop, and they can swallow an 18x10" wheel from the showroom floor. The Renesis Rotary engine... wow, there isn't a better reason on the planet for an LS1!

    More soon,

    Terry Fair @ Vorshlag

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    17 Jul 2013 12:58 PM
    Subscribed! Look forward to seeing how the E46 kit comes along, have a very clean M3 of my own, obviously with an S54, but I already know the downfalls (fragile and expensive) of that engine, and I already know the benefits of the American V8 (AutoX car is an ESP prepped S197 Mustang with 1200 runs and not a single hiccup during any of them), you don't have to sell me. I've heard all the flack from the BMW faithful already when I suggested this swap before....anything happens to my S54, I find it extremely unlikely I'll be replacing it with a used $5000 BMW engine....
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    19 Jul 2013 10:59 AM

    I was kidding, I thinks it is cool seeing LS motors in a variety of vehicles.

    Good luck at NASA Nat's at Miller.  I was hoping to make it but my LS6 is history.

     

     

    JRL wrote:

    Looks like a lot of good stuff you guys are doing. But, why not just buy a C5Z06 and be done with it

     I've owned and driven several Corvettes myself, and can't argue the performance per dollar figures of a C5Z06 with you... You could be better off financially with just one of these, but some people just don't like the "Corvette experience". The lay-down seating position, limited visibility and sight lines (you can't see the corners of the car), the squeaks and rattles, and the gold chains, heh.

    A BMW E36/46 with an LS1 gives you pretty different experience. You sit more upright and have excellent visibility in these two chassis; you can see the edges of the car; you get that "German car feel" when you close the doors or touch the higher quality interior materials, but still get that gutteral kick in the back when you mash the accelerator - something not normally part of the "BMW Experience".

     



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