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New Ford F-150 EcoBoost Engine
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01 Feb 2011 06:05 PM

    Has anyone driven or own a 2011Ford F-150 with the new EcoBoost engine?

    Looks pretty interesting in these Torture Test videos, 365 hp, 420 lb.-ft torque, and 11,300 lbs. towing capacity. Uses regular gas and rated 15/21 in the 4 wheel drive version, 16/22 for the 2 wheel drive one.

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    01 Feb 2011 08:22 PM
    the eco bost engine is not yet available in the f 150 it will be a late release so expect the first eco bost f 150's in the spring... i too think that it is very interesting..
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    01 Feb 2011 10:36 PM

    Wow, I was not aware that the engines were not out yet....... when you go onto the Ford Site, you can build a F-150 with the EcoBoost engine. It adds $750 to the over all cost of the truck.

    I went looking to see I could find any thing in the news, and found this article from last week.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...9720110125

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    02 Feb 2011 11:25 AM
    I've been watching them pretty closely. They've been hitting the dealer lots only within the last week, and only in very few quantities. The EB motors were a late release, the 5.0 and 3.7's have been on the lots for a month or 2 already.
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    02 Feb 2011 11:25 AM
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    03 Feb 2011 10:17 PM

    I 2 am.was? interested in this rig. Until I heard(read) that Dodge might be putting a small diesel into a 1500.

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    03 Feb 2011 11:07 PM

    I hope these engines work out well. The 3-valve Triton engines that these new engines are replacing were quite problematic.

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    04 Feb 2011 10:51 AM
    fastmike wrote:

    I 2 am.was? interested in this rig. Until I heard(read) that Dodge might be putting a small diesel into a 1500.

    FM

    I've heard that as well, but the economics will be marginal at best I think. That's the reason that ford didn't put their 4.4L diesel in the F150. A $7000 premium will take a LONG time to pay off vs. a $1750 premium. My guess is it'll be somewhere around 600K miles assuming a 4mpg difference and the current gas/diesel prices.

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    08 Feb 2011 09:54 AM
    I will wait till these come up for sale on the used market, Like when the 2 year leases are up.

    Not sure if I could EVER part ways with my 7.3L monster truck.
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    08 Feb 2011 11:41 AM
    Joe_914 wrote:
    I will wait till these come up for sale on the used market, Like when the 2 year leases are up.

    Not sure if I could EVER part ways with my 7.3L monster truck.

    Interestingly, with 420lb/ft and gasser gearing to take advantage of the broader rev range, the wheel torque looks pretty similar between the 7.3 and the EcoBoost.

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    08 Feb 2011 01:05 PM

    I'd have to have a side by side "feel-o-meter" test with the 7.3 vs the ecoboost. I don't think with a loaded truck, loaded trailer, and booth leaving the stop light at 800 rpm that they would feel the same. I do think the eco boost shows great promise, and am very curious to hear the first real world towing experiences.


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    08 Feb 2011 01:43 PM
    Why would an ecoboost do anything except idle at 800rpm? Understandable with the diesel because that's a more valid part of its rev range (I'm assuming), but AFAIK the ecoboost is backed up by a 6-speed auto and I'm sure the flash/stall speed of that converter is well above 800rpm.

    I think it looks like a great option if it proves reliable. Pickuptrucks.com just reviewed the 5.0L equipped F150 and it also sounds like a great drivetrain.
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    08 Feb 2011 05:10 PM

    Yesterday, I stopped by one of our Kansas City Ford dealers (Thoroughbred Ford), and asked if they had any on their lot. Answer was "not yet, but they expect to get some in their inventory in the next 30 to 45 days".

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    08 Feb 2011 05:39 PM

    ok, I didn't really mean 800rpm literally. I'm just not a believer that the eco boost will haul a monster load from a dead stop in the same manner that a 7.3 diesel will. If it does, great.


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    08 Feb 2011 08:18 PM
    jdchristianson wrote:

    ok, I didn't really mean 800rpm literally. I'm just not a believer that the eco boost will haul a monster load from a dead stop in the same manner that a 7.3 diesel will. If it does, great.

    Yeah, I think I was a little crazy taking it so literally. Good times.

    I'm pretty sure it won't pull like a 7.3, but I think it will out-pull all the gassers. It's also a far cheaper option. Personally, I can't justify paying for a diesel option on a HD pickup. When I bought my '03 it was over $7000 with the allison trans. I think it's over $9K now. I don't need it and I won't get that money back.

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    08 Feb 2011 08:53 PM
    BigEnos wrote:
    jdchristianson wrote:

    ok, I didn't really mean 800rpm literally. I'm just not a believer that the eco boost will haul a monster load from a dead stop in the same manner that a 7.3 diesel will. If it does, great.


    Yeah, I think I was a little crazy taking it so literally. Good times.

    I'm pretty sure it won't pull like a 7.3, but I think it will out-pull all the gassers. It's also a far cheaper option. Personally, I can't justify paying for a diesel option on a HD pickup. When I bought my '03 it was over $7000 with the allison trans. I think it's over $9K now. I don't need it and I won't get that money back.

    For what it's worth, it was approx $7K difference when I got my 06 GMC (with the Duramax) in 2006.

    And if you look at USED values on the trucks now, it is STILL worth roughly $7K more.

    Bonus that I've gotten a far more capable tow vehicle (that gets a lot better MPG) in the meantime ;)

    Will be interested to see the real world MPG (both empty AND towing) on the Ecoboost though...

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    09 Feb 2011 01:43 PM
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    BigEnos wrote:
    jdchristianson wrote:

    ok, I didn't really mean 800rpm literally. I'm just not a believer that the eco boost will haul a monster load from a dead stop in the same manner that a 7.3 diesel will. If it does, great.

    Yeah, I think I was a little crazy taking it so literally. Good times.

    I'm pretty sure it won't pull like a 7.3, but I think it will out-pull all the gassers. It's also a far cheaper option. Personally, I can't justify paying for a diesel option on a HD pickup. When I bought my '03 it was over $7000 with the allison trans. I think it's over $9K now. I don't need it and I won't get that money back.

    For what it's worth, it was approx $7K difference when I got my 06 GMC (with the Duramax) in 2006.

    And if you look at USED values on the trucks now, it is STILL worth roughly $7K more.

    Bonus that I've gotten a far more capable tow vehicle (that gets a lot better MPG) in the meantime ;)

    Will be interested to see the real world MPG (both empty AND towing) on the Eco boost though...

    I agree 100% that the extra money you pay for the diesel is an investment that you get back on resale.

    I have seriously been thinking about the Eco boost because of the 21mpg combined with fuel that is around .50 cents a gallon less. Only down side for me is the lower towing capacity. I used to have a '99 Ford F 350 with the V10, looking at the old spec it appears that the ecobost has similar or better HP and Torque.

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    09 Feb 2011 02:01 PM
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    jdchristianson wrote:

    ok, I didn't really mean 800rpm literally. I'm just not a believer that the eco boost will haul a monster load from a dead stop in the same manner that a 7.3 diesel will. If it does, great.

    Yeah, I think I was a little crazy taking it so literally. Good times.

    I'm pretty sure it won't pull like a 7.3, but I think it will out-pull all the gassers. It's also a far cheaper option. Personally, I can't justify paying for a diesel option on a HD pickup. When I bought my '03 it was over $7000 with the allison trans. I think it's over $9K now. I don't need it and I won't get that money back.

    Depends on how much you tow.

    A gas 1998 Dodge 2500 runs about $6k. Towing a enclosed trailer at a high 8mpg (likely less) to Milwaukee 660miles round trip would cost you $216 (gas costs at $2.60/gallon). A 1998 Diesel 4x4 Manual runs about $11k. At the 17mpg I got today, round trip would costs $121 (diesel at $3.10/gallon). So a $90 savings on one trip. So at a $5000 price difference, it would take about 27k miles of driving to make up the difference. At my personal towing mileage at 9k last year, it would only take 3 years in fuel alone to pay off the difference. Then you factor in less maint and engine issues.

    It made plenty of sense in my case to do diesel. Plus the fact that it tows so much better than anything else.

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    09 Feb 2011 02:15 PM
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    jdchristianson wrote:

    ok, I didn't really mean 800rpm literally. I'm just not a believer that the eco boost will haul a monster load from a dead stop in the same manner that a 7.3 diesel will. If it does, great.

    Yeah, I think I was a little crazy taking it so literally. Good times.

    I'm pretty sure it won't pull like a 7.3, but I think it will out-pull all the gassers. It's also a far cheaper option. Personally, I can't justify paying for a diesel option on a HD pickup. When I bought my '03 it was over $7000 with the allison trans. I think it's over $9K now. I don't need it and I won't get that money back.

    Depends on how much you tow.

    A gas 1998 Dodge 2500 runs about $6k. Towing a enclosed trailer at a high 8mpg (likely less) to Milwaukee 660miles round trip would cost you $216 (gas costs at $2.60/gallon). A 1998 Diesel 4x4 Manual runs about $11k. At the 17mpg I got today, round trip would costs $121 (diesel at $3.10/gallon). So a $90 savings on one trip. So at a $5000 price difference, it would take about 27k miles of driving to make up the difference. At my personal towing mileage at 9k last year, it would only take 3 years in fuel alone to pay off the difference. Then you factor in less maint and engine issues.

    It made plenty of sense in my case to do diesel. Plus the fact that it tows so much better than anything else.

    I tow an open trailer, definitely don't need a diesel. I get ~11mpg towing give or take a mpg depending on terrain and traffic.

    Less maintenance and engine issues are a big plus with a gas motor, you're right.

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    tow an open trailer, definitely don't need a diesel. I get ~11mpg towing give or take a mpg depending on terrain and traffic.

    Less maintenance and engine issues are a big plus with a gas motor, you're right.

    I also have an open trailer (with an 06 2500HD Duramax truck).

    FWIW, my towing mileage :

    • Open Trailer, Civic in the Avatar on it, "Out West" speeds (75-80 MPH, including NOT slowing down while up in the Mtns...BIG Mtns between California and Lincoln) : 17 MPG
    • Open Trailer, Civic, "CA/OR Legal-ish" speeds (55 with trailer in CA and OR, so this is 60-62 MPH going from home in the Bay Area to either San Diego/El Toro or Packwood) : 18-19 MPG (yes, have seen 19 MPG sustained on the highway while towing before!!!)
    • Same Truck/Trailer, but my other "toy" on it (96 Chevy Impala SS, "not even in the ballpark of stock anymore", weighs over DOUBLE what the Civic does at 4300 lb vs 2000 lbs) : take the numbers above and knock 1-2 MPG off of them.
    • 24 ft Enclosed to Topeka and back one year, 70-75 MPH : 12-14 MPG depending on the winds
    • And for comparison, truck gets 14-16 MPG in "in town", 20 at 70-75 MPH and 22 at 55 MPH while empty. In other words, numbers about in line to a little worse to what is being claimed for the Ecoboost.

    In my mind, the question is if the EcoBoost can come close to matching (or, if REALLY lucky, exceeding) those MPG numbers with those loads on the open trailer.

    As for "increased/troublesome maintenance with the diesel", I haven't seen it. But then, I am NOT driving a truck with a 6.x liter Powerstroke in it :) .

    My truck is a little over 100K. In that time, the only non-maintenance items have been the steering shaft rattle (fixed, came back, now ignore) and an HVAC control on the floorboard ($125 part, took about 30 minutes to swap it). Obviously, both of those have nothing to do with the truck's motor. Beyond that, it's just oil changes at the recommended intervals (9-10K miles, 10 quarts of Rotella-T a time at $13/GALLON), external trans filter at every other oil change ($10 part, and about $1 worth of Dex-6 to top it off...and the old filter always comes off with CLEAN fluid in it), one set of fluid flushes (i.e. you'd be doing that with the gas truck anyways), and a fuel filter ($30) every 15K miles (30 minute swap). So in terms of $$$ for fluids/filters it's been pretty much a wash with a gas truck (oil change = more oil but a longer interval).

    Needless to say, I've been pretty pleased/impressed with the experience.



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    10 Feb 2011 08:15 PM
    doesn't talk about towing mileage (and w/ non-towing-friendly 3.15 gearing), but

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    During our drive, Ford sponsored the "Ford EcoBoost Fuel Economy Challenge," which involved trying to squeeze the most mpg out of the EcoBoost-powered trucks equipped with 3.15:1 axle gears. The Challenge took place on an approximately 20-mile course while being monitored by Ford representatives via the Ford Work Solutions onboard computer. The top mpg winner in our group of 24 drivers logged a shocking 32.5 mpg. Bear in mind, this was full-on "hypermiling" and not normal driving, but it's impressive nonetheless. While the rest of our group focused on actually trying to get good fuel mileage, we ignored the challenge completely and put our foot-to-the-floor at every opportunity, which earned us a dead-last finishing position. But here's the amazing thing: we still got 19.4 mpg.


    http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtest...st_v6.html

    as i understand it, the EPA procedure penalizes turbo engines by keeping them in boost longer than they would be in real-world driving. i don't know if that's true, but i know the only turbo car i've lived with (my wife's Saab) almost always beat its rated numbers. even if the truck is pulling down 19mpg in hard driving, that's pretty good.
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    10 Feb 2011 10:31 PM
    dmitrik4 wrote:
    doesn't talk about towing mileage (and w/ non-towing-friendly 3.15 gearing), but

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    During our drive, Ford sponsored the "Ford EcoBoost Fuel Economy Challenge," which involved trying to squeeze the most mpg out of the EcoBoost-powered trucks equipped with 3.15:1 axle gears. The Challenge took place on an approximately 20-mile course while being monitored by Ford representatives via the Ford Work Solutions onboard computer. The top mpg winner in our group of 24 drivers logged a shocking 32.5 mpg. Bear in mind, this was full-on "hypermiling" and not normal driving, but it's impressive nonetheless. While the rest of our group focused on actually trying to get good fuel mileage, we ignored the challenge completely and put our foot-to-the-floor at every opportunity, which earned us a dead-last finishing position. But here's the amazing thing: we still got 19.4 mpg.


    http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtest...st_v6.html

    as i understand it, the EPA procedure penalizes turbo engines by keeping them in boost longer than they would be in real-world driving. i don't know if that's true, but i know the only turbo car i've lived with (my wife's Saab) almost always beat its rated numbers. even if the truck is pulling down 19mpg in hard driving, that's pretty good.

    My 2010 TDI Golf destroys its EPA ratings without even trying. Worst tank I've gotten so far has been about 37mpg and that was tons of stop/go driving and winter fuel. I drive like a bat out of hell just about always so I don't know what I'd have to do to get the EPA city which is like 31.

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    20 Feb 2011 12:37 PM
    Yesterday, our local Ford dealer called me to advise that they received their first F150 with EcoBoost. I'm not buying a Truck with a Color of Red Candy......but I did take it for a 5 mile test drive on the Interstate. Very Smooth and Quiet.....lots and Lots of Power and Torque. It was Very Quick!

    This was the Lariat Edition with lots of Creature Comforts...see the invoice below.








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    03 Mar 2011 04:24 PM
    The ecoboost only comes in certain packages, with certain options. It really isn't a $750 option.

    I'll take a N/A V8 over a boosted 6 any day....unless we're talkin diesel.
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    04 Mar 2011 08:43 PM
    Hotdogs and supposedly the first Ecoboost F150 in Washington State is going to be at a local dealership tomorrow. I am going to go check it out.
    Hopefully they will be doing ride and drives.
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    04 Mar 2011 09:40 PM

    Have not driven it, but we have our first one on the lot in Eastern Iowa. So they should start showing up in numbers very soon.

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    05 Mar 2011 09:04 PM

    Ford's travelling road show and drive came to town. I drove a Ecoboost XLT Crew 4x4 6.5 bed with the 3.73's(tow package).
    Tq on truck reminded me a lot of a diesel. Tq early and strong.

    I liked the tranny. Seems like it really tries to go right to 6th gear. Even at 40mph.
    Seems to bleed boost or something between full throttle shifts. Probably to protect the tranny against the tq.
    I could really tell when the tq convertor locked and unlocked. I like that.

    LOTS of room inside. Guy said 3" change. I say a GREAT improvement to the earlier model for sight and comfort and rear seat room.
    B-piller seems further back? Guy, who has been to 26 states showing the thing off(26,500 miles) said B-piller is "bordon steel" or something.

    I asked how many airbags. He said "a LOT".
    He got a little nervous doing the "on ramp" thing. Gets to 80 pretty quickly. I think he said that "it picks up speed pretty quickly and can be deceiving on how fast your are going". 3 times before I got to the on-ramp.

    I did not like the 18" wheels. They felt heavy over the "chatter" bumps/expansion joints.
    He agreed and said that he liked the 17's.

    Some neat little things like steps to get at stuff in the bed on each side behind rear doors.
    Foam insert between front fenders and hood to seal it off. I have never seen that before.
    Large tranny cooler.
    Brakes acceptable in full panic stop.
    Built in trailer brake controller and supposedly a anti-sway thing.
    LSD a little brutal on lock-up during full throttle launch-turn. That said, I did not feel vehicle stability control once.
    I wasn't driving that hard though.

    Computer said 15.5 mpg. Not sure when he reset it etc.

    As far as light duty's go, I have never driven a better one. I think it is safe to say Ford is leading the pack on light duty's right now. Dodge's rumored light duty diesel might give it a run though.

    The thing I did not like was the feeling of really heavy wheel/tire package. Dampers felt pretty good in all other situations though. A little "plastic-eee" inside. Just a little though. That can be fixed with upgrading to $higher$ trims. I would probably be happy enough with the plastic ie less $$$...

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    07 Mar 2011 03:30 PM
    With 18" rims where would someone buy tires to achieve the load rating.
    16" goes to load range E
    17" goes to load range C and D
    18" ?????? Heavy car tire?
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    07 Mar 2011 08:47 PM
    Did a little more "research".

    Seems the Ecoboost only gets a 26 gallon tank. Kinda scary in Wyoming at night even with the mpg while towing which we all don't know yet.
    Can it just touch 17 mpg with a 20' enclosed at 70mph with a canopy and bubble on the trailer? Wishful thinking? It better get at least 14!

    The non Ecoboost F150's get a choice between 26 and 36 gallon ones depending on wheelbase/cab etc.
    Then I heard that the 26 gallon Ecoboost tank is a completely different tank than the non direct injection motor 26 gallon tank.
    Hmmm...don't know why or if that is true or not. (see parts lists?)

    I would be interested in a crew cab 2wd XLT 6.5 bed w/lsd and ecoboost and 17" aluminum wheels which do look nice.
    Not sure about tow package or max tow package.
    Even an enclosed trailer with 4K lbs of cargo isn't going to work this thing that hard I think.

    I did not try it during my short drive, but supposedly you can manually lock out 5th and/or 6th for towing.

    Don't know about "E" range tires. Didn't look at the one I drove.

    Cmon Dodge! Where is that light duty Diesel with no DPF! I would like a manual tranny but I pretty much figure that ain't gonna happen.

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    07 Mar 2011 09:02 PM
    Super Duty Fords and HD GMs can be had with 18" and 20" tires and they should be load range "E". That said, a half ton doesn't generally have "E" tires on it to begin with.
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    07 Mar 2011 09:06 PM
    Tire rack offers 10 different tires with Load Range "E" in 275/65-18.
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    08 Mar 2011 12:36 PM
    Absolutely not required for 1/2 ton truck to need E rated tires. But these new trucks are claiming tow ratings as high as my 2000 F250.

    I think my truck can tow more than advertised and the new trucks are optimistic to say the least.
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    didn't SAE standardize the tow rating process recently to try to curb excessive capacity claims? i seem to remember a lot of trucks being re-rated somewhat lower.

    it wouldn't surprise me to see current half-ton trucks capable of towing as much (and as well) as bigger trucks from 10+ years earlier. they are bigger and more powerful than they were a decade ago (the 2011 F-150 has a longer wheelbase and length than the 2001 F-250 did, and weighs about the same); they have improved mechanicals (e.g., 6-speed vs. 4-speed transmissions) and frame designs and use stronger materials.

    every other measure of vehicle performance has increased over time--hell, an Accord V6 gets to 60mph in well under 6 seconds and runs the 1/4 in low 14s at over 100mph...what types of MY2000 cars were running those times?--towing capacity should not be any different.

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    08 Mar 2011 04:28 PM
    New SAE Tow Ratings - below is a Link on the Toyota Tundra blog that has some info. Says that the plan is to have all manufacturers to begin adhering to the standard testing process by 2013.

    Tundra Blog

    For more info about the testing standards, Google for SAE J2807. They have been working on these for a number of years.

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    Ford EcoBoost Forum

    For Months, this forum was pretty quiet, but now has more recent comments with people test driving, ordering or taking delivery. One of the Posters works in the Ford Plant in Kansas City. Note his comments in the thread about the Ecoboost making a Ticking Sound.

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    I heard a ticking. Sounded just like the direct injection on Cobalt SS turbo.
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    Joe_914 wrote:
    Absolutely not required for 1/2 ton truck to need E rated tires. But these new trucks are claiming tow ratings as high as my 2000 F250.

    I think my truck can tow more than advertised and the new trucks are optimistic to say the least.

    I agree with that. My 2003 2500HD is rated to tow just less than 10K lbs. and I call BS on wanting to pull more than that with a half ton. I don't care how much power you have, you have to be able to turn it and stop it! I know for a fact that the EcoBoost would leave me for dead in any sort of drag race, too.

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    http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/0...art-1.html
    Uh oh! back to the 12 valve Cummins..
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    24 Apr 2011 09:10 AM
    Anytime you're pulling a heavy brick through the air, you're not going to get very good mileage. Doesn't matter how many turbos on the motor or gears you put in the tranny, there's a certain amount of energy that has to be used.

    I would have been interested to see what mileage the unloaded truck got at 75-80mph. My Tundra will do 18-20 at lower speeds (sub 70), but falls off fast as you go above 70.

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    24 Apr 2011 12:51 PM
    Yea. A drop of dino juice ony has so much roar in it...
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    03 May 2011 09:55 AM
    but it has a lot more roar in it than we're able to get out of it, even now.

    check out the take rate on the EB engine, though!

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    “We had a sales forecast, but it has jumped up a little faster than we thought,” said Marc Lapine, consumer marketing manager for Ford… Preliminary numbers for April showed that EcoBoost-equipped F-150s accounted for 36 percent of F-150 sales and 40 percent of orders, Lapine said. There is a 13-day supply of F-150s with the option, he said.



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