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03 Dec 2014 02:32 PM
Posted By racingfool on 26 Nov 2014 10:14 PM
"C. 

Sports Racers and All Open-Wheel Cars Including Formula Atlantics:
1. May use any automobile-based 2v/cyl engine up to 1300 cc, any
2-stroke motor up to 900 cc, any 4v/cyl or more engine up to 1005
cc.
Minimum weight with driver: ........................................... 1020 lbs.
2. May use any 2v/cyl automobile-based production engines up to
1615 cc.
Minimum Weight with driver ............................................1110 lbs.
3. May use any 4v/cyl or more engine up to 1615 cc. May use any
2- stroke up to 1300 cc, Mazda 12A rotary with any porting and
any carburetion. May use fuel injection without weight penalty as
required by the GCR.
Minimum weight with driver ............................................ 1180 lbs.
4. May use any naturally-aspirated engine up to 3000 cc.
Minimum weight with driver ............................................ 1285 lbs."

I wanted to add a little more clarity on engine size and minimum weights in BM.  Although BM is generally based on the GCR (the General Competition Rules, the SCCA road racing rules), weights and engine rules do not carry over to Solo.  BM allows vehicles from a number of different GCR classes with different performance potential.  In order to even things out as much as possible between the different GCR classes running BM, the engine size and vehicle weight has been disconnected from the GCR and are regulated by BM-specific rules in the Solo rulebook.  racingfool posted these rules, Section C under B-Modified in Appendix A.  In Solo, there is a fixed relationship between engine displacement and minimum vehicle weight (including driver).  Well, with one exception.  Formula Continentals are listed separately in Section D.  

racingfool must have copied the text in his post out of an older rulebook.  I can tell since forced induction engines are not permitted anymore (they previously were with a multiplier of 1.4 as defined in 18.0.B in the Solo Rules).  Here are the BM engine/weight rules out of the 2014 Solo Rules:

 

C. Sports Racers and All Open-Wheel Cars Including Formula Atlantics:
1. Turbocharged and supercharged engines are not permitted.
2. May use any automobile-based 2v/cyl engine up to 1300 cc, any
2-stroke motor up to 900 cc, any 4v/cyl or more engine up to 1005
cc.
Minimum weight with driver:............................................ 1020 lbs.
3. May use any 2v/cyl automobile-based production engines up to
1615 cc.
Minimum Weight with driver:............................................1110 lbs.
4. May use any 4v/cyl or more engine up to 1615 cc. May use any
2- stroke up to 1300 cc, Mazda 12A rotary with any porting and
any carburetion. May use fuel injection without weight penalty as
required by the GCR.
Minimum weight with driver:............................................ 1180 lbs.
5. May use any engine up to 3000 cc.
Minimum weight with driver:............................................ 1285 lbs.
6. Minimum rim width:................................................................ none.
7. Maximum allowed rim width:.................................................. 15 in.
D. Formula 2000, classed in Formula Continental per GCR/FCS:
1. Minimum weight with driver:.............................................1090 lbs.
2. Rim width:.................................................................... unrestricted
3. Airfoil maximum size per Formula Atlantic rules.
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28 Jan 2015 11:51 AM
Here is another Radical ProSport for sale:

2002 Radical ProSport: Suzuki Hayabusa engine; $24,000 OBO

I am not sure where the hyperlink feature went. I can't find it. Therefore, he is the address for the ad:

http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/sho...hp?t=64483

It's not the cheapest car, but it looks interesting. Add a "solo wing" and take it autocrossing in BM.


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15 Apr 2015 01:51 PM
Another sports racer and potential BM car for sale:

2002 OMS: Yamaha engine, $18,000 OBO, including an enclosed trailer

I still can't see the hyperlink feature, hence the Web address listed here:

http://www.racingjunk.com/Sports-Ra...Racer.html


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10 May 2015 11:32 AM
The last GRM magazine had an ad for a DSR car for $3,500, including a single-axis open trailer for what appeared to be a robust, running car with some cosmetic issues. Well, that one did not last very long as it sold quickly. It may not have been a championship-winning car, but still a very quick and inexpensive "starter car" that should still be able to beat CM times without any real work to the car. Ok, on to the next opportunity...

Lola based DSR, Diesel tow truck, enclosed trailer, spares: $22,500 for the entire package, TX

Again, it looks like I can't do hyperlinks anymore, therefore, here the Web links:

http://dsrforum.yuku.com/topic/1074...U91XCHBzGe
http://billmaisey.com/2015photos/royflyer.pdf

I don't know the car and can't say much about it, like its condition or autocross potential, but based on the sales flyer, it has a lot of the right components. Obviously, it would need "low-speed aero". That and a new set of tires may already make it a trophy-winning car. Questions to ask the seller should include some about size and weight of the car.

If you think that's your car and you come to an agreement with the seller, all you need is a plane ticket to Texas, fly down there and drive the "rig" back. If you don't like the truck or trailer, they can always be sold again.


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11 May 2015 04:05 PM

Posted By Clemens on 28 Jan 2015 11:51 AM
Here is another Radical ProSport for sale:

2002 Radical ProSport: Suzuki Hayabusa engine; $24,000 OBO

I am not sure where the hyperlink feature went. I can't find it. Therefore, he is the address for the ad:

http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64483

It's not the cheapest car, but it looks interesting. Add a "solo wing" and take it autocrossing in BM.


Clemens


The price of this car has been lowered to $21,000:

http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64483


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31 May 2015 10:07 PM
Mine is up for sale if anyone is interested.

http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/aft/447287
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06 Jun 2015 07:41 PM
Here is another very inexpensive car, a KBS sports racer with a 900 cc 3-cylinder 2-stroke engine, $4000 asking price, including a trailer:

http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee...67636.html

There is picture available of a KBS sports racer with a different (better) looking body. Go to

http://sports.racer.net/index1.html

then click on Chassis on the left-hand side and select KBS.


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06 Jun 2015 07:44 PM
And another one. This is a 1984 VanDiemen formula car converted to a sports racer with a motorcycle engine:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Van-Diemen-...1711703424

As of my typing, there is a week left in the auction with a current high bid of $6,600, but the reserve has not been met.


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24 Jul 2015 12:48 PM
http://bringatrailer.com/2015/07/23...-race-car/

Porsche 911 Powered: 1967 Tube Frame Race Car
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20 Aug 2015 09:16 AM
Anybody who is seriously interested in BM should take a VERY CLOSE LOOK at this car:

1989/90 Prince SR-5: Yamaha engine, $16,000 firm

http://dsrforum.yuku.com/topic/1085...dXArLS_dqs

It is a sports racer with great potential, very comparable to a LeGrand. Unlike with a LeGrand, the guy who designed and built it is still alive. Since it is a more recent design, I suspect that it is more robust than a LeGrand and can handle the G-forces generated by today's sticky tires and higher downforce better.

I have not seen this car in person and can't really say anything about its condition, but it should be a great starting point for a very competitive Solo car. Just install a set of "Solo wings" (available for around $2k), and it should be a solid trophy contender at Nationals. A set of wider wheels and maybe an engine upgrade would make it a National Championship contender (although we have car running that has won several National Championships with an R1 engine, and that car is still very competitive front-runner and a candidate for more championships).


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01 Sep 2015 08:19 PM
Does anyone know any history on the KBS car. Thanks
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02 Sep 2015 05:32 PM
Here are a few comments from our B-Modified YahooGroups forum on the KBS car:

"I believe the KBS was their attempt at building a DSR back in the late 80's. They have info on the car on the sportsracer forum"

"This is the car shown on Sports Racer Network (yes, I broke down and called the seller). It is one of 3 (or 5?) KBS (the F500 people) built for DSR. The car was sold out of TX (the SRN ad) to an older gentleman in Florida. It was in the process of being "rebuilt" and the gentleman passed away and unfortunately, the fire system. logbooks and some other parts were thrown out before the balance of the car was purchased by the current owner. He claims to be firm on his price, but would sell for a bit les without the trailer. I have asked him to send me wheelbase & track dimensions - he has not weighed the car. He is also sending me the sizes of the wheels/tires on the car now (13" dia - widths TBA)."

"Just to pass on a bit more information I got from the seller:
F Track: 60"
R Track: 64"
Wheelbase: 93"
Tire Sizes - F: 20x8-13, R: 22x10-13 - wheel widths not confirmed.
Price of car w/o trailer: $3000 - spares are two crankcases and a set of 1000cc cylinders, pistons & heads

I did find a post from the P.O. in TX mentioning the frame had been lengthened:
"Our car had a chassis that was originally constructed by KBS, the F500 manufacturer, as a DSR, amd a Winfurst (sp) body. We lengthened it and installed the Polaris triple in it. I don't remember what the original engine was, but it was a two cylinder. We worked with Aaen on the belts and clutches, and never had an issue with those components. The owner ultimately sold the car to a guy from Florida who intended to autocross it. I kept up with him for a while, but I don't know if it is still being used.""

"I almost bought that same car a long time ago. It was reasonably successful road racing and had no belt or other problems. The owner at that time (Larry Svalton?) was pretty sharp and kept the chassis, CVT, and motor tuned. He wasn't greedy building for HP and that is probably why it worked so well.

This body would probably look terrific if the rear wheel opening were cut out."


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14 Nov 2015 09:20 AM
Well, racing season is pretty much over, at least in most parts of the country. Time to buy new cars, right? Here is one:

1978 Wheeler DSR - BMod (FSV Chassis), $9,000, located in Columbus/OH

http://dsrforum.yuku.com/topic/1089...kdA2berTIU

It is not the most competitive car in its current configuration, but looks like a great starting point.
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14 Nov 2015 09:23 AM
Here are two more B-Mod candidates, a LeGrand Mk25 project car and a Formula Jedi. $8,000 takes it all. That is a pretty decent value for everything that's included. Located in Atlanta/GA.

http://dsrforum.yuku.com/topic/1091...kdDLrerTIU
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18 Nov 2015 09:20 PM

Posted By Clemens on 14 Nov 2015 09:20 AM
Well, racing season is pretty much over, at least in most parts of the country. Time to buy new cars, right? Here is one:

1978 Wheeler DSR - BMod (FSV Chassis), $9,000, located in Columbus/OH

http://dsrforum.yuku.com/topic/10893/1978-Wheeler-DSR-BMod-FSV-Chassis#.VkdA2berTIU

It is not the most competitive car in its current configuration, but looks like a great starting point.


I just saw a post elsewhere from the owner that he lowered the price to $8,500. He says:

"New price $8500...I'd rather see it raced than stored."


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19 Nov 2015 08:42 AM
http://www.racingjunk.com/Sports-Ra...B-mod.html


http://s31.photobucket.com/user/w65...t=3&page=1


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20 Nov 2015 12:53 PM

Posted By Dan Lipperini Jr on 19 Nov 2015 08:42 AM
http://www.racingjunk.com/Sports-Racer/182573106/PRINCE-SR-5-sports-racer.-DSR-B-mod.html


http://s31.photobucket.com/user/w650gb500/library/Prince%20SR-5%20sports%20racer?sort=3&page=1


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I see, it is for sale again...

This looks like a great platform for a BM autocross car. I am not familiar with this particular car, but based on its specs, pictures, and description, I would expect it to be pretty quick as is. Turning this car into one of the fastest cars in the country and earning a National Championship with it is not a stretch. Just adding a good Solo wing should give it the potential to score at trophy at the Solo National Championships.


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06 Dec 2015 07:50 PM
I bought the KBS car yesterday. I will probably run AM with it. Really depends on what it weighs when I get the chance to get it on my scales.
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17 Dec 2015 03:48 PM
Here is another one...a custom-built formula car, specifically for B-Modified competition:

2009 Zombie Woof formula car, Yamaha R1 engine, $14,000 (including small, enclosed trailer), located in Austin/TX

http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/sho...hp?t=71552
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27 Dec 2015 01:03 PM
For those who like to browse car ads themselves, here are the links to some of my favorite sites with potential B-Modified autocross cars for sale:

Sports Racer Forum, Cars for Sale:
http://dsrforum.yuku.com/forums/14/...oAluvkrLIV

Racingjunk.com, Sports Racers for Sale:
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/...Racer.html

Racingjunk.com, Formula Cars for Sale:
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/...rmula.html

ApexSpeed.com, Autocross Cars for Sale;
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/for....php?f=186

None of these sites only list BM cars, but, depending on the sites, they also list road race cars and autocross cars eligible for classes other than BM. In addition, all but one of the aforementioned sites also list additional cars for sale in other categories. Obviously, there are many other places out there on the Internet that also list cars for sale...

Happy browsing!


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