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350Z to ESP (Feb Fastrack)
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christoc
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22 Jan 2011 07:28 PM
I imagine the weight comes from safety items, but not positive.
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22 Jan 2011 07:46 PM

One thing to keep in mind about ESP, the winning car at Nats for the last 3+ yrs, is Madarash's '88 Trans Am that puts down ~250whp/350wtq, weighs right around 3,000lbs and has a width of 72.4" (per Nissan's published specs, width of the 350Z is 71.5").

While I expect the speed of ESP to increase in the coming years, are they're any other heavier, mid-powered 2 seat sports cars in the class? If the 350Z is let in perhaps some of the older C3 corvettes should be considered as well???

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22 Jan 2011 09:42 PM

Come on Chike, no need to add fuel to this fire just yet!

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23 Jan 2011 10:35 AM
OK, I'm a current ESP competitor and I've driven a reasonably well-prepared BSP 350Z. That car has MOTONs, tuning, 295/18s, etc. Certainly there's preparation left to do, but the car as it is already destroys my '95 Z28.

Here's the deal, I *love* driving that car, and I love driving a lot of the currently uncompetitive BSP cars (M3, etc). It's a crying shame that those cars have nowhere in stock or SP to play competitively. They are popular, inexpensive, and fun to drive. The 350Z is a sea-change for the class and if approved will lead to M3s, S2000s, maybe even older 'vettes, as someone else suggested, joining them.

I'll write a letter sharing my opinion that it'll change the class completely and the ponycars will quit showing up in the numbers they currently do. Shame there isn't another SP class . . .
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23 Jan 2011 12:37 PM
It's a good thing there isn't any history of unproven cars being dumped into ESP and then turning out as overdogs of the class.

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23 Jan 2011 06:00 PM

Having the 350Z in the class is really not a lot different than what will be happening in a couple years when the Shelbys start showing up.

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23 Jan 2011 08:12 PM
Chiketkd wrote:

One thing to keep in mind about ESP, the winning car at Nats for the last 3+ yrs, is Madarash's '88 Trans Am that puts down ~320whp/350wtq, weighs right around 3,000lbs and has a width of 72.4" (per Nissan's published specs, width of the 350Z is 71.5").

Let me fix that for you.

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23 Jan 2011 08:39 PM
Silencer wrote:
Chiketkd wrote:

One thing to keep in mind about ESP, the winning car at Nats for the last 3+ yrs, is Madarash's '88 Trans Am that puts down ~320whp/350wtq, weighs right around 3,000lbs and has a width of 72.4" (per Nissan's published specs, width of the 350Z is 71.5").

Let me fix that for you.

Dave

I hope your edit was meant as a joke because Mark has posted his dyno numbers here (I can't remember his username so I can't find it) and his car was around 250 whp. You just can't make that much HP wheezing air through L98 heads.

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23 Jan 2011 08:39 PM
Silencer wrote:
Chiketkd wrote:

One thing to keep in mind about ESP, the winning car at Nats for the last 3+ yrs, is Madarash's '88 Trans Am that puts down ~320whp/350wtq, weighs right around 3,000lbs and has a width of 72.4" (per Nissan's published specs, width of the 350Z is 71.5").

Let me fix that for you.

Dave

Sorry...the L98 does not make anywhere near that power in SP trim. IIRC, Madarash posted numbers of 247whp and ~350wtq.

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23 Jan 2011 08:41 PM
GlennAustin wrote:

Having the 350Z in the class is really not a lot different than what will be happening in a couple years when the Shelbys start showing up.

Since when is a 350Z a live-axle car weighing over 3200 pounds? Yeah, exactly the same.

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23 Jan 2011 09:19 PM
Chiketkd wrote:
Silencer wrote:
Chiketkd wrote:

One thing to keep in mind about ESP, the winning car at Nats for the last 3+ yrs, is Madarash's '88 Trans Am that puts down ~320whp/350wtq, weighs right around 3,000lbs and has a width of 72.4" (per Nissan's published specs, width of the 350Z is 71.5").

Let me fix that for you.

Dave

Sorry...the L98 does not make anywhere near that power in SP trim. IIRC, Madarash posted numbers of 247whp and ~350wtq.

Could of swore he had the B4U spec'd Firehawk motor factory rated at 350hp/390tq. Can't see how Mark pulls the way he does against a fully prep'd LS1 at a Pro with only 247/350. Thanks for clarifying.

Dave

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23 Jan 2011 09:45 PM
I drove the same BSP 350Z BigEnos referenced earlier and was 8 tenths faster in the 350Z after my second run than I was in my own ESP car. My ESP car is prepped almost identical to the one Sam has won so many jackets in. The 350Z is an awesome car and very fun to drive, but will crush a pony car.
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24 Jan 2011 05:55 AM
GlennAustin wrote:

Having the 350Z in the class is really not a lot different than what will be happening in a couple years when the Shelbys start showing up.

Last I checked there are already S197s in ESP and they are fitting in just fine. What, exactly, do you think is different about a Shelby GT that will make it a world beater, or somehow capable of outrunning a car with independent suspension and 300lbs less weight?

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Silencer wrote:

Could of swore he had the B4U spec'd Firehawk motor factory rated at 350hp/390tq. Can't see how Mark pulls the way he does against a fully prep'd LS1 at a Pro with only 247/350. Thanks for clarifying.

Dave

That was my understanding as well (Firehawk motor). I haven't talked to Mark, but another ESP competitor (that also has the Firehawk motor) told me he did.

What Mark has in his car is somewhat irrelevant anyway. The Firehawk motor is legal from my understanding and makes much more hp than the standard L98.

Dave G.

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24 Jan 2011 09:27 AM
Pat...since when did an L98 have aluminum heads???

Mark does have the Firehawk engine in his car...his old ESP engine is in another 3rd gen down in Austin, Texas right now...

At one of the tours a couple of years ago I quoted the numbers my LS1 was putting to the wheels and Mark said his was putting out about the same.

BTW My car was dynoed at 330hp and 375 ft lbs...on that dyno on that day. (Tune check) Hhis car is in the 310-330 range and around 380 tq, is lighter, narrower, and turns a hellofalot better...then no wonder he has a few jackets in the last few years.

The magic torque unicorn of Greg Mccance is off to the parted out car yard in the sky (it broke to much) so now we are left to see who will be the next big contender in ESP. Sam in a 5.0...Brian in his 4th gen (if he gets an LT4) or maybe whoever purchased Brian Reggaine's old car will be the next big challenger for Mark. Or will Botkin come back with his super prepped LS1??

My feeling?? The 350Z driven and prepped properly will out pace the current pony car class with the 2 top choices being a 3rd gen Firebird like Marks or an LT4/M26'ed 4th gen Camaro/Firebird. The new Mustang should be equal to these on paper but only time will tell. I am already blowing the tires off with the torque im making now so more power will not upset the applecart to much.

It is the ability to be lighter and add decent rear camber than helps the 350Z more than anything over the pony cars!!!

I still wonder what a prepped 6.0 GTO could do in the class???
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24 Jan 2011 11:53 AM
Sorry Chris but anyone who has seen Michael Bright's BSP 350Z down in Dixie knows that there is absolutely no way this could fly. The Z is currently an extremely competitive BSP car and probably could win the existing class. Why it wouldn't absolutely destroy ESP is beyond me.

Remember what happened a few years ago at HPT when Flanagan jumped in a poorly prepped Z? Yeah, scared the shit out of everyone, now think about that on concrete with some real setup time...
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24 Jan 2011 12:16 PM
Cr0usEEE wrote:
Pat...since when did an L98 have aluminum heads???

I forgot that he did the Firehawk motor (hey, an L98 in a C4 Corvette is still an L98). Maybe the dyno #s he posted here were from his old setup. Anyway, he (as well as every other F Body and most Mustangs in ESP) is still trying to put down that power through a live axle and in a car that is heavier than a stock 350Z.

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24 Jan 2011 12:31 PM
SerNick wrote:
Sorry Chris but anyone who has seen Michael Bright's BSP 350Z down in Dixie knows that there is absolutely no way this could fly. The Z is currently an extremely competitive BSP car and probably could win the existing class. Why it wouldn't absolutely destroy ESP is beyond me.

BSP at last year's Dixie National Tour:

1. Terry Tabor, EVO, 111.120 (and finished 5th in Lincoln, FWIW)
2. Rob Faulkner, 350Z, 111.351
3. Michael Bright, 350Z, 112.799

McCance was there in ESP but IIRC he was on the rent-an-F-Stock-car program.

Pat

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24 Jan 2011 12:38 PM
If we want to just throw random results out there, how about this

2010 Solo Nationals
BSP 121.46
ESP 118.96 (top 3 in ESP were < BSP winning time)
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24 Jan 2011 12:42 PM
It rained for BSP last year
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