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SP Re-org and new BSP...Who's in?
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neverlift
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21 Oct 2011 09:15 AM

anyone else having trouble getting the link to work right now? .....needless to say i'm happy with the re-org....time to start saving money for a competitive BSP build :)

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21 Oct 2011 11:50 AM
lowside67 wrote:
So Boxster / Cayman are ASP now... interesting :) S2000 still sounds like the car to beat for the new BSP though a well prepped and well driven BSP E36 M3 is probably a very capable car.

I'm more worried of an S54 outfitted Z3M or Z4M than I am a e36 M3, but S2000 is sure to be a car to have. Hopefully the e46 M3 is not too far behind. I'd think many Z3/4Ms will be tire limited though as I don't imagine too many people are hardcore enough to cut up fenders.

What do you guys think about big spoilers?

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21 Oct 2011 12:30 PM
The Nebulizer wrote:
lowside67 wrote:
So Boxster / Cayman are ASP now... interesting :) S2000 still sounds like the car to beat for the new BSP though a well prepped and well driven BSP E36 M3 is probably a very capable car.

I'm more worried of an S54 outfitted Z3M or Z4M than I am a e36 M3, but S2000 is sure to be a car to have. Hopefully the e46 M3 is not too far behind. I'd think many Z3/4Ms will be tire limited though as I don't imagine too many people are hardcore enough to cut up fenders.

What do you guys think about big spoilers?

I could agree with you here.....only 690 Z3M Coupes made and 1600 Roadsters with an S54.....Z4's are in ASP now....I have no problem cutting fenders on my E36 :) ..... I think it may have a shot....we'll see....E46 M is up there for sure with 100 more HP, but a couple 100#'s heavier to start than an E36....I'm very interested to see the entry list and results for BSP in 2012.......What do you think the PAX will do for BSP/CSP? I'm thinking it may soften up a little....

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21 Oct 2011 01:30 PM
I cant see the E46 M3 getting it done... not only is it heavier, but it is also longer, wider, and taller - some real problems.
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21 Oct 2011 02:35 PM
bmwohio wrote:
The Nebulizer wrote:I'm more worried of an S54 outfitted Z3M or Z4M than I am a e36 M3, but S2000 is sure to be a car to have. Hopefully the e46 M3 is not too far behind. I'd think many Z3/4Ms will be tire limited though as I don't imagine too many people are hardcore enough to cut up fenders.

What do you guys think about big spoilers?

I could agree with you here.....only 690 Z3M Coupes made and 1600 Roadsters with an S54.....Z4's are in ASP now....I have no problem cutting fenders on my E36 :) ..... I think it may have a shot....we'll see....E46 M is up there for sure with 100 more HP, but a couple 100#'s heavier to start than an E36....I'm very interested to see the entry list and results for BSP in 2012.......What do you think the PAX will do for BSP/CSP? I'm thinking it may soften up a little....

The current Z4 35i &amp; 35is is in ASP, but the Z4M is in BSP (in other words everything with an S54 engine is in BSP). Which seems a bit curious, but I guess they figure the turbo Z4 has more potential.

PAX? I figure BSP has to soften significantly. They made it because these cars couldn't compete in the old BSP (or had no place to play). If I had to guess I would say about .010 softer than old BSP (or new ASP).

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21 Oct 2011 05:29 PM
mlane350z wrote:
......and it's done. Nov Fastrack is out...

This doesn't make it official, does it? The wording is "recommended to the BOD" and I think the BOD has rejected a few recommended items in the past. I hope it does pass, but I will wait for the official ruling.

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21 Oct 2011 06:08 PM
The Nebulizer wrote:
bmwohio wrote:
The Nebulizer wrote:I'm more worried of an S54 outfitted Z3M or Z4M than I am a e36 M3, but S2000 is sure to be a car to have. Hopefully the e46 M3 is not too far behind. I'd think many Z3/4Ms will be tire limited though as I don't imagine too many people are hardcore enough to cut up fenders.

What do you guys think about big spoilers?

I could agree with you here.....only 690 Z3M Coupes made and 1600 Roadsters with an S54.....Z4's are in ASP now....I have no problem cutting fenders on my E36 :) ..... I think it may have a shot....we'll see....E46 M is up there for sure with 100 more HP, but a couple 100#'s heavier to start than an E36....I'm very interested to see the entry list and results for BSP in 2012.......What do you think the PAX will do for BSP/CSP? I'm thinking it may soften up a little....

The current Z4 35i &amp; 35is is in ASP, but the Z4M is in BSP (in other words everything with an S54 engine is in BSP). Which seems a bit curious, but I guess they figure the turbo Z4 has more potential.

PAX? I figure BSP has to soften significantly. They made it because these cars couldn't compete in the old BSP (or had no place to play). If I had to guess I would say about .010 softer than old BSP (or new ASP).

Most of SP is soft, but relative to the other SP classes I would hope BSP stays about the same. The gap between the new BSP and the previous BSP based on the last few years of courses is not that great.

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21 Oct 2011 07:07 PM
spaf wrote:
Most of SP is soft, but relative to the other SP classes I would hope BSP stays about the same. The gap between the new BSP and the previous BSP based on the last few years of courses is not that great.

So this year at nationals the top 16 finishers in the "old" BSP will be moved to the new ASP. The fastest car that will remain in the "new" BSP placed 17th out of 28, and was 3.1 seconds behind the winner. I realize the best drivers in the class are more likely to be in the most competitive cars (Evo 8/9), but to me that seems like a pretty significant gap from "old" BSP to "new" BSP. The suggestion of a .010 reduction in PAX equates to a 0.6s reduction over a 60s course.

mlane350z
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24 Oct 2011 10:53 AM
So....has the interwebz decided the 350z isn't a contender? :(.


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24 Oct 2011 11:01 AM
mlane350z wrote:
So....has the interwebz decided the 350z isn't a contender? :(.


:).

Do an HR swap into an '03 and it should be near the top of the class.

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24 Oct 2011 11:13 AM
I still have another ~15whp to be had on the old DE....I'm not unhappy with its current power level as is.
bstock05
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24 Oct 2011 08:38 PM
Im pretty sure Michael Brights 350Z could do some damage
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25 Oct 2011 11:13 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on new reclass for Porsches. 993 and 964 in BSP could be contenders. There are some RS models worth looking at. 964 RSA SP build could be interesting. So could old scoop 911 build. With EVOs out of the way lots of viable porsches in BSP and maybe ASP.

Intersting cars in new ASP 993 and 964 turbos, 997 GTS. Bring buckets of money.

Many 911s have broken free of Old ASP that put them in same class as 996 GT2. Now many are classed with 350 z and S2000. Given nationals sees rain day occasionally 911 has some real wet course advantages .
John V
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26 Oct 2011 07:35 PM
Porsches just don't show up. Even in SS where the 996 GT3 is perhaps the best car, they just don't come out.

lowside67
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27 Oct 2011 12:06 AM
Speaking personally, I like driving them but cant get over the cost - both purchase price and ongoing maintenance. Then add the fact that it cant carry its own tires... just doesnt make sense for me.
Grantsfo
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27 Oct 2011 12:11 AM
And 944 turbo is very capable car in new BSP. Big turbo 4s can make big power. They are nicely balanced car too. Good SP weight loss potential with these cars too. If I wasnt so committed to my Z I might go for this car as a BSP contender. Would be a fun build. And would be fun to show up to PCA events in an old school waterpumper that could beat new 911s.
lswilson9
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27 Oct 2011 12:54 PM

So what happened to the Audi TT-S ('09-'11)? I don't see it listed in the re-org.

It was classed in BSP in the January FasTrack.

Still BSP?

Lindsay

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27 Oct 2011 01:46 PM
lswilson9 wrote:

So what happened to the Audi TT-S ('09-'11)? I don't see it listed in the re-org.

It was classed in BSP in the January FasTrack.

Still BSP?

Lindsay

Don't see it listed either, but I would think it will be ASP with the other AWD boosted cars....

racingfool
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19 Nov 2011 01:24 AM
Where does the RX8 fit into the new BSP?
lowside67
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19 Nov 2011 02:27 PM

Probably not a bad choice but still going to get dominated by the S2k...

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