mpharr2
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| 22 Jan 2012 09:00 PM |
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What power and lighting requirements should I add to a new home with 3 bay garage?
Garage outdoor lighting suggestions
How large should the parking pad be?
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snaponbob
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| 22 Jan 2012 10:19 PM |
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mpharr2 wrote:
What power and lighting requirements should I add to a new home with 3 bay garage?
Garage outdoor lighting suggestions
How large should the parking pad be?
How high is the ceiling?
If this is a NEW house, and it is not powered yet, ask the power company for 300-400 amp service. Normal is 200 amp. Realistically, 200 amp SHOULD be enough. But, if you have a big (220 volts 6-8 hp), and plan on any other power hungry items (lift, big welder, etc.), 200 amp might be approached in cold or hot (HVAC draws), dryer, stove, water heater, and then the compressor kicks in !!! When I built my shop I asked the power utility to upgrade my house to 350 amps, and the cost was almost nothing. I did have to trench out to the power vault, lay conduit and all the associated stuff before they ran the upgrade. Once the upgrade was complete I did all the trench work out to the shop (~140') and laid the cable myself. It was well worth it as I never have any issues with dimming lights at the shop or house no matter what the draws are.
As for actual wiring in the garage, there almost can't be too many outlets. Normal codes call for 15 amp circuits, but do 20-30 amp service everywhere in the garage. Install some 220 volt circuits as well with 2-3 outlet boxes so no matter what you buy, there will an electrical supply that is up to the task.
One thing I have to correct in my shop (~950 sq ft) is lighting. The walls are ceiling are white, but 6 fluorescent fixtures is not enough. Install a LOT of fixtures and use T5 bulbs. They put out a LOT of light and don't consume nearly as much power as bigger diameter bulbs. Putting some on the walls is not a bad idea either.
Your wallet will limit the size of the parking pad. Your significant other's sense of humor will limit the pad as well, if you know what I mean.
HTH some.
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| Bob Buxbaum
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Bullitt2954
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| 23 Jan 2012 08:32 AM |
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What Bob says, essentially. Size all the outlet wiring for 30amp (10ga.), but I'd just start with 20amp outlets. The extra cost will be minimal, and you can upgrade any outlet-circuit easily. Don't forget to add strategic outdoor receptacles. Code now calls for GFCI for ALL non-dedicated receptacles in garage spaces: consider GFCI breakers instead of individual GFCI or "daisy-chained" receptacles - you will HAVE to use them anyway if the first outlet on any given circuit is more than 10' away from the panel: might as well be consistent. Multiple circuits are you friends, BTW.
You probably won't need more than two (2) 220v circuits; but you can have more than one receptacle on each circuit. I would size the wiring to them no less than 50amp. Four receps strategically-placed will just about cover any medium-sized welder or air-compressor, or two or four post lift.
While they sound "cool" - I would opt for receptacles in the ceiling with reel-cords (for 120v), rather than embedded in the floor. Too easy to break them, too much nuisance-tripping every time you mop the floor, etc.
One thing I always wanted to have in my "dream garage" is low, wall-mounted luminaires for working beneath vehicles. Coupled with a light-coloured floor, I think days of hanging a "trouble light" on the bottom of the car would be over with that setup. I don't know if they would help or hinder, but it was an idea I had.
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snaponbob
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| 23 Jan 2012 12:59 PM |
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Oh, BTW, I did you UCoatIt. Don't. If you use the garage as a show place, UCoatIt is fine, but if you plan on actually doing some WORK in the garage, save the bucks and put down a good epoxy paint and be down with it. Then, if you want to "repair" spots in the floor it will be cheap and easy. |
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| Bob Buxbaum
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ComBIRDable
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| 24 Jan 2012 09:23 AM |
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I don't know the climate where you are, but if this is new construction, check into radiant heating in the floor. The idea of laying on a 0 degree floor while changing the oil is kind of nice in the winter.
Congrats on the house,
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cbramey
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snaponbob
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| 24 Jan 2012 02:58 PM |
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"ONLY" $1000. And that's the starting number. What a deal.
Actually, if starting from scratch, might work well. But 4500 watts is a lot of light, and could be power hungry. |
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| Bob Buxbaum
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mpharr2
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| 24 Jan 2012 08:55 PM |
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"Your wallet will limit the size of the parking pad."
Seems new construction must have ability to contain rain water runoff. Rain gardens? No pad enlargement before settlement But at least I will have the area graded for future upgrades. |
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snaponbob
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| 24 Jan 2012 10:27 PM |
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If the correct mix of gravel is used, it can pack up VERY hard and drain well. Depends on what your zoning, HOA, and property covenants allow. |
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| Bob Buxbaum
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mpharr2
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| 25 Jan 2012 07:39 PM |
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Signed the contract for the land and the home this afternoon evening
Ceiling approx 10 feet.
120v - 20 amp GFI Decora outlets in the garage $70 per outlet
Will need to ask about using the thicker wiring
220 Volt Line (not connected) $160
220 Volt connected $180 per outlet
Can wait till the the walls are up to work out the exact locations of the all the extra home - garage lighting
Like the T-5 suggestions tho only have seen one 2 bulb T5 fixture at Home Depot
Outside garage spot lighting? HID or LED or ?
I liked the suggestion to add ceiling fan in the Garage
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snaponbob
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| 25 Jan 2012 09:41 PM |
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LOTS of sources. I have seen the 48" four bulb fixtures. It HURTS to look at them. VERY bright. |
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| Bob Buxbaum
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jdchristianson
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| 26 Jan 2012 08:37 AM |
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Simple but effective, paint the walls and ceiling bright semi-gloss white. Its like adding a couple of light fixtures. Also a nice sized window or two to give some natural light help.
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Ryno
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| 26 Jan 2012 09:59 AM |
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I would also recommend running some air lines. |
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mpharr2
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| 30 Jan 2012 05:48 PM |
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Present design is one 2 car door and one 1 car door. Any benefit to go with a 1 foot wider single door?- 9 ft wide door = $175 additional.
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impalanut
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| 30 Jan 2012 06:47 PM |
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Airlines is a great idea, and don't let anyone convince you to do PVC, I used copper, but there are some other safe choices. I did my floor with epoxy and clearcoat but if I had it to do over I would just polish the concrete and stain it for color if you want. Once polished it will shed water and oil, won't be as slippery as epoxy or tile, and will never have to be redone. Also, plan to put the compressor in its own small enclosed area outside the garage, it makes a lot of noise and will be easier to drain without a mess. As mentioned above, you can't have too many circuits or outlets. Also, a dedicated circuit for a window AC and/or a ceiling exhaust fan. Also, consider reinforced framing for a motor hoist.
If it is attached to the house consider extra sound insulation between the house and garage. The bigger the better for doors, especially if you trailer your car and may have to back the trailer in to the smaller bay (it will be a lot wider than the car). |
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cbramey
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| 30 Jan 2012 07:39 PM |
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well, the $1000 was a starting bid for all 20!
I didn't mean to imply that I would not part them out.... |
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Ryno
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| 31 Jan 2012 01:50 AM |
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mpharr2 wrote:
Present design is one 2 car door and one 1 car door. Any benefit to go with a 1 foot wider single door?- 9 ft wide door = $175 additional.
The bigger the better, I prefer 18' on the main garage and 10'+ on the 3 car. Depending on how flexible your builder is I'd add some depth/width as well it shouldn't cost much more than $20 sq ft.
I have built many homes and my only regrets where the items I didn't do. |
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snaponbob
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| 31 Jan 2012 10:18 AM |
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mpharr2 wrote:
Present design is one 2 car door and one 1 car door. Any benefit to go with a 1 foot wider single door?- 9 ft wide door = $175 additional.
YUP. Trailer when you want.
On the compressor comments - a good quality CAST IRON compressor will not be very noisy (like the cheap aluminum ones) and will run less. Installing a compressor outside creates its own set of challenges. For instance, in the summer it will run much hotter outside and generate more water, and in the winter any water that may be in it can freeze. My 6 horse compressor runs very little, is not real noisy, and since I use air tools, paint guns, and a blast cabinet, I can easily change the ONE regulator instead of having a bunch of them. Also, if there is something wrong (belt slipping, fixture leaking, etc.) I know about it right away. Just some thoughts. |
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| Bob Buxbaum
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mpharr2
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| 31 Jan 2012 07:40 PM |
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Walls that back to the house will have blown-in (BiBs) Insulation The Garage walls will have R13 the Garage Ceiling that is under the MBR will have R-30 insulation Rest of the exterior walls will have BiBs and 1 inch SiS board. Uprated the windows Ceiling insulation. The extra insulation lowered the HVAC by 1/2 ton.
What did you use to stain the cement?
Did anyone include insulation under the slab?
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snaponbob
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| 31 Jan 2012 07:57 PM |
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mpharr2 wrote:
Walls that back to the house will have blown-in (BiBs) Insulation The Garage walls will have R13 the Garage Ceiling that is under the MBR will have R-30 insulation Rest of the exterior walls will have BiBs and 1 inch SiS board. Uprated the windows Ceiling insulation. The extra insulation lowered the HVAC by 1/2 ton.
What did you use to stain the cement?
Did anyone include insulation under the slab?
My detached shop has 6" of concrete on at least 8" of gravel. Even at sub freezing outside temps, then floor is always above ambient. The shop itself is R45 blown ceiling, R9 garage door, and R19 walls. Not really sure how one can insulate the floor, but a good builder should be able to answer that question. |
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| Bob Buxbaum
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