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Last Post 25 Nov 2013 02:47 PM by  edfishjr
Why no ST class for SS cars?
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29 Sep 2013 07:35 PM

    Subject pretty much sums it up:  why is there no ST class for Super Stock cars?  Seems the natural progression should be: Stock =>  ST => ASP.  I'd like to perform a few mods to my '12 Porsche  Cayman, but I do not want to land in ASP and on R-DOTs.  Next years new 'Street' eliminates the R tire need, but my car is camber challenged -- camber plates bump me right up into ASP.

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    30 Sep 2013 05:43 PM
    We'll see what happens with the C5 moving into STU. If lots of them come out to play, maybe the SEB will consider an ST class for the cars you describe.


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    30 Sep 2013 06:03 PM
    Typically big horsepower and street tires don't behave well. Plain and simple.
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    30 Sep 2013 11:43 PM
    Posted By ratt_finkel on 30 Sep 2013 06:03 PM
    Typically big horsepower and street tires don't behave well. Plain and simple.

    I understand your point when considering the Z06, Viper, GT3s, though I'd point out that the Lotus Elise(189hp), Porsche Cayman (320hp)/Boxster(310hp), and Porsche 997 911(325hp) are not especially high horsepower cars.

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    01 Oct 2013 10:39 AM
    Posted By djm1968 on 30 Sep 2013 11:43 PM
    Posted By ratt_finkel on 30 Sep 2013 06:03 PM
    Typically big horsepower and street tires don't behave well. Plain and simple.

    I understand your point when considering the Z06, Viper, GT3s, though I'd point out that the Lotus Elise(189hp), Porsche Cayman (320hp)/Boxster(310hp), and Porsche 997 911(325hp) are not especially high horsepower cars.

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    Agreed.  Do you think you could populate a class with just those or similar cars though?  Because the numbers up to this point say no.


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    01 Oct 2013 02:40 PM
    Do you think you could populate a class with just those or similar cars though? Because the numbers up to this point say no.


    That didn't prevent the creation of STF ...


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    01 Oct 2013 04:39 PM
    Posted By ratt_finkel on 01 Oct 2013 10:39 AM
    Posted By djm1968 on 30 Sep 2013 11:43 PM
    Posted By ratt_finkel on 30 Sep 2013 06:03 PM
    Typically big horsepower and street tires don't behave well. Plain and simple.

    I understand your point when considering the Z06, Viper, GT3s, though I'd point out that the Lotus Elise(189hp), Porsche Cayman (320hp)/Boxster(310hp), and Porsche 997 911(325hp) are not especially high horsepower cars.

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    Agreed.  Do you think you could populate a class with just those or similar cars though?  Because the numbers up to this point say no.


    Good point.  Honestly, I can not say is an 'STSuper' class would be popular.  Locally, I mostly see Vettes and Loti filling up the SS ranks.  Judging for the forum traffic, the Z06 drivers seem to be the most vocal about the need for R comps else SS dies.  But then, did not the SEB just create a class that none one will participate in -- Super Street?  If former SS cars will not run in an STSuper class where at least they can tweak suspension to make up for the loss or R comps, then surely no former SS cars will run in Super Street either.  So based on that perspective, I see no reason why an STSuper would be any less interesting than 2014's Super Street class.

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    01 Oct 2013 04:54 PM
    Posted By splash on 01 Oct 2013 02:40 PM
    Do you think you could populate a class with just those or similar cars though? Because the numbers up to this point say no.


    That didn't prevent the creation of STF ...

    The SCCA makes lots of mistakes.


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    25 Nov 2013 01:14 PM
    I think STF has a future, but its taking longer than anticipated. Lots of new-to-autox people should find STF a great place to do an affordable build on an affordable car that can still be a DD. I'm surprised its not grown faster, but I noticed the same trend with STR regionally in its first two years.


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    25 Nov 2013 02:47 PM
    Posted By djm1968 on 01 Oct 2013 04:39 PM

     

    Good point.  Honestly, I can not say is an 'STSuper' class would be popular.  Locally, I mostly see Vettes and Loti filling up the SS ranks.  Judging for the forum traffic, the Z06 drivers seem to be the most vocal about the need for R comps else SS dies.  But then, did not the SEB just create a class that none one will participate in -- Super Street?  If former SS cars will not run in an STSuper class where at least they can tweak suspension to make up for the loss or R comps, then surely no former SS cars will run in Super Street either.  So based on that perspective, I see no reason why an STSuper would be any less interesting than 2014's Super Street class.

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    When Super Street dies after next year there will be a spot for Super Touring!

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