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New base MINI cooper what class??
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madame_toussleau
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25 Jun 2014 08:54 AM

I must be missing something - When I read the car classes in the solo rule book on line I see this is H Street:

   Clubman (non-S, non-JCW) (2008-14)

   Cooper (non-S, non-JCW) (2002-14)

   Cooper Coupe (non-S, non-JCW) (2012-14)

   Cooper Roadster (non-S, non-JCW) (2012-14) 

And nothing in GS for mini's that I can find, so what makes this car a G Street car this year?

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25 Jun 2014 09:01 AM
Cars released after the Rulebook draft aren't going to be in there. You'd have to look at Fastrack releases.

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod...-april.pdf
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25 Jun 2014 09:29 AM
Posted By Tom Reynolds on 25 Jun 2014 09:01 AM
Cars released after the Rulebook draft aren't going to be in there. You'd have to look at Fastrack releases.

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets/14-fastrack-april.pdf

 thank you - now I'll go test drive one!

Barb Seeger - New England Region

cmt52663
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26 Jun 2014 05:19 PM
Barb! That is NOT what I meant when I posted up "the BS stops when the flag drops"... :-)
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26 Jun 2014 10:05 PM
Posted By cmt52663 on 26 Jun 2014 05:19 PM
Barb! That is NOT what I meant when I posted up "the BS stops when the flag drops"... :-)

LOL  but really,  I was about to buy a focus ST when you mentioned this GStreet Mini idea... I'm having a hard time deciding between the 2 now.

 

-Barb Seeger - New England Region  - B Street 88 Corvette

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31 Jul 2014 11:23 AM
It appears that there are two alternate part numbers for the steering knuckle (I call it a hub carrier, but what do I know) which offer variation in camber for the otherwise non-adjustable front axle. The old "pull the plastic pin and pray" approach to maximizing camber which offered -.6 to -.8 on the R56 models is now history.

I've offered a bottle of scotch to the first staff member at my dear dealer who can interpret the specifications for these parts, but early indications are that they are +/- something from the default number.

This may be the F56 equivalent of a "crash bolt" and if they can produce -1 degree of negative camber then I'll be having them in a heartbeat.

The turbo-triple is better than it looks on paper, and 2nd gear goes on for bloody ever.

Not battle tested yet though, so the jury is still out.

Cheers,

Charlie
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11 Aug 2014 08:23 AM
OK, more data. With the alternate OEM knuckles (which serve the same purpose as crash bolts) the F56 Cooper gets -1 degree of camber. Weighed at the tech shed @ NHMS it's 2,550 lbs. Battle tested it eked out .5 sec of a lead against the Fiesta ST and the Impreza 2.5 RS on a postage stamp course over the RAL weekend.

Devens next Sunday, which will be the real test.

So far so good.

Charlie
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11 Aug 2014 07:35 PM
Posted By cmt52663 on 11 Aug 2014 08:23 AM
OK, more data. With the alternate OEM knuckles (which serve the same purpose as crash bolts) the F56 Cooper gets -1 degree of camber. Weighed at the tech shed @ NHMS it's 2,550 lbs. Battle tested it eked out .5 sec of a lead against the Fiesta ST and the Impreza 2.5 RS on a postage stamp course over the RAL weekend.

Devens next Sunday, which will be the real test.

So far so good.

Charlie

Wow, that's almost 200lbs heavier than the previous cars, and only .1-.2 degrees more camber.


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12 Aug 2014 08:22 AM
Posted By gareno on 11 Aug 2014 07:35 PM
Posted By cmt52663 on 11 Aug 2014 08:23 AM
OK, more data. With the alternate OEM knuckles (which serve the same purpose as crash bolts) the F56 Cooper gets -1 degree of camber. Weighed at the tech shed @ NHMS it's 2,550 lbs. Battle tested it eked out .5 sec of a lead against the Fiesta ST and the Impreza 2.5 RS on a postage stamp course over the RAL weekend.

Devens next Sunday, which will be the real test.

So far so good.

Charlie

Wow, that's almost 200lbs heavier than the previous cars, and only .1-.2 degrees more camber.


Actually it is 140 lbs heavier (my R56 was 2410 at the Mid Atlantic tour last year), and I agree on the camber (although I could only get -.6 from my R56).

 However the torque curve is quite similar to the R53 STX car, and it is that which prompted me to conduct this experiment.

 It will take a better driver than me to prove the point however.

Cheers,

Charlie


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12 Aug 2014 09:05 PM

I've seen the previous gen weigh as little as 2350. Mine weighs 2420 with a 20lb trailer hitch on it. Tim Carrite's weighs in the the 2350 range.  We compared weights last year in Blytheville on the same scales. His weighs substantially less than mine, and I can only account for 20lbs for my hitch.

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14 Aug 2014 02:08 AM

Our 07 weighed 2427 and the 2013 2400lb. (The 2013 had 15% of fuel in, about 14lbs, the 07 similar.) With zero fuel and lighter wheels (like 15x5.5, instead of 16x7) you could maybe lose 25-30lb. The cars could lose a couple of options, but I don't know where 20lb would come from.

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15 Aug 2014 04:24 PM

Maybe Tim and I can get our cars on the scales at Nationals sometime...just to make sure we didn't have a scale malfunction in Blytheville.  I've had my car on scales several times, and each time its been within a pound or two of 2420, although now I'm on 15x6.5" tires and wheels, so I might be about 10lbs lighter now, but so should he...

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17 Aug 2014 01:40 PM
My 11 weighed 2373 with the stock 16" wheels when I weighed it at the 12 nationals running in RTF. With the race wheels and the windshield wiper fluid drained it was probably right at 2350. I ordered it with zero options except for sport seats.

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22 Aug 2014 07:16 AM
With two NER points events in the books, the Gen 3 car appears to be a capable G Street entry.

http://www.ner.org/solo/2014-season-results

Not a class killer by any means, but a fun and tossable car with no inside wheelspin issues or other bad habits.

The sport suspension controls roll nicely, the overall balance is comparable to the R56, and eventually as the aftermarket catches up I'd add the Koni Yellows and a rear bar.

http://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ost93.html

But no regrets, and plenty of regional fun is clearly in the near future.

Cheers,

Charlie
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24 Aug 2014 09:18 PM
You can always put plenty of talent in the seat, its only a question away.  What class are you running g street? 
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27 Aug 2014 10:11 AM
Posted By coneracer on 24 Aug 2014 09:18 PM
You can always put plenty of talent in the seat, its only a question away.  What class are you running g street? 

Yes.
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11 Sep 2014 10:47 AM
Lincoln next year I hope - family health issues precluded this year I am sorry to say. Next Devens race on Sunday and if my head is on straight that should go well (and be fun in any case).

Not a soul was tempted to take this path based on the G Street attendance in Lincoln this year, which does not entirely surprise me.
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27 Oct 2014 07:03 AM
So yesterday I did have talent in the seat... Brian Kuehl drove the 3rd gen B38 equipped G Street car (bone stock) to 11th PAX against the NER hot-shoes.

The car does have the alternate steering knuckles installed, returning -1 degree of negative camber out front.

No class-killer, but capable.

Cheers,

Charlie
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30 Oct 2014 12:57 PM
IDK if this was intentional or not but in the rulebooks there are no MINIs in GS - 2002-2014 (2014 is the new Mini) are all listed under HS.

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod...0links.pdf
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31 Oct 2014 09:28 AM
Posted By kyoo on 30 Oct 2014 12:57 PM

IDK if this was intentional or not but in the rulebooks there are no MINIs in GS - 2002-2014 (2014 is the new Mini) are all listed under HS.

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod...0links.pdf


Check the april fast track, that was fixed.

I think the new mini is a pretty good fit for GS.
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