Posted By The Nebulizer on 09 Apr 2014 10:09 AM
Classing is not based on PAX. The jury is still out on if DStreet will be faster than FStreet. I would not be surprised if that were the case, but I suspect they are very close.
The non-M e46s were not winning DStock and they would be even farther back in DStreet given the 2wd disadvantage. The non-M's have clear disadvantages over the Ms in power and wheel width, but they do have some minor advantages too in lower weight. I doubt anyone thinks they are the cars to have in the class, but they weren't the car to have in DS either. At least they are grouped with similar cars by going to FStreet.
GStreet would likely be too soft for the non-Ms. It would change the landscape too much - which is not the direction Street is trying to go at this point.
Street is still in its infant stage. I expect there will be class merging in the near future. I'd imagine DS and FS merging is a real consideration given similar performance and modest entries in each.
In the end competitiveness wasn't taken away from the non-Ms, it was just shifted a bit. If you want the car to be competitive, consider STX or better yet DSP. The car has classes it can win in.
Re: "Classing is not based on PAX". Yep, I agree. I understand PAX to be a measure of relative speed between classes. This year FS is faster than DS. I used PAX to support my statement of "is faster". I don't expect cars to be classed based on PAX. I could be wrong about what PAX is though...
I also agree that the moved DS RWD cars would not hold up well to the DS AWD cars. I think moving the RWD was the right thing to do. However, being in one of those RWD cars, I do wish that some were put in a slower class. I realize that would take more work and analysis for those guys, and the pay sucks for the job, so I do understand it. But I, selfishly, would still like to have have seen some cars moved to GS. I feel some of them (IS250, e46, Crossfire, Lincoln LS v8) compare well to the faster cars in GS like the Genesis Coupe and SRT-4. At least better than the faster cars in FS.
To educate myself, I did do some looking to see what is typically done with the "tuned" version of some cars to see how they were classed. Seems to be a mix, but leaning to the "different class" side.
- Audi TT, Audi TTS - different class
- Mustang GT, Boss 302 - different class
- Camaro, Camaro ZL1 - different class
- Viper, Viper ACR - different class
- WRX, WRX STI - different class
- BMW e36, e36 M3 - different class
- BMW e30, e30 M3 - different class
- BMW 1 series, 1M - different class
- Mazda MX-5, MS-R - different class
- S2000, S2000 CR - different class
- Solstice, Solstice GXP - different class
- Cobalt, Cobalt SS - different class
- Mazda 3, Mazdaspeed 3 - different class
- Genesis Coupe 4, Genesis 6 - different class
Here are some that are in the same class
- BMW e46, e46 M3 - same class
- Mustang V6, GT, Shelby GT - same class
- Lexus IS, Lexus ISF - same class
Just a quick check for myself, not exhaustive by any means.
I did see the response to the letter written in Fast-track (wait till next year). I will do the same. I've been running a different car in ST this year and really enjoying it.
Neb, if you're going to the National Tour in Lincoln in a few weeks I can bring out my e46 ZHP and we can compare it to your M3. We may both learn something new about the cars.