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fzust
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11 Sep 2014 05:47 PM
    Is there going to be a nationals PAX results posted?
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    11 Sep 2014 06:49 PM
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    11 Sep 2014 08:38 PM
    Rick Ruth ordinarily posts combined, east, and west course numbers shortly after Nats.
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    12 Sep 2014 12:19 AM
    Yeah, looking for the RR official pax by course....
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    12 Sep 2014 08:07 AM

    Here is the PAX from the Pronto Timing System via sololive.scca.com:

     

    http://sololive.scca.com/2014PaxIndex.html

     

    The PAX index was live everyday and updated after every car for each day/course.

    Darrin

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    12 Sep 2014 10:03 AM
    Darrin, the links for the second day and overall all go to the Tuesday West / Wednesday East group regardless of what group you are trying to get to. The Day 1 PAX results go to the correct groups. Also is it possible to add just overall West and overall East results in the future?

     

    Correction - now it seems that the links for the Tuesday East/ Wednesday West are the only ones mixed up. When I looked previously it was all of them.

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    12 Sep 2014 12:14 PM
    Emailed Rick yesterday and got an out of the office to the 15th with no email access reply.
    The Nebulizer
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    12 Sep 2014 04:27 PM
    Is there PAX East and PAX West anywhere?
    sjfehr
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    12 Sep 2014 05:59 PM

    When will DAX results be published?  Or do you have an even better index now?

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    12 Sep 2014 08:33 PM

    Posted By <a href='http://www.sccaforums.com/user-profile/userid/30398' class='af-profile-link'>sjfehr</a> on 12 Sep 2014 05:59 PM
    <p>When will DAX results be published?  Or do you have an even better index now?</p>


    Please, no. PAX may not be perfect, but DAX is dead. May it rest in peace.
    AStockVette
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    13 Sep 2014 11:03 PM
    PAX this year is far from perfect and needs serious adjustment for next year relative to street tire classes versus R-comp classes. Top Street class car was all the way down in 230 (Jeff Stuart/CS), Greg Reno in HS was 251 (NFW that's a reasonable PAX result), Mark Daddio was 289 in winning AS (same comment as Reno), Lane Borg was 420 in winning BS (ditto). Top ST class was Ron Williams at 104 in winning STC, Andrew Canak was at 110 in winning STS. If these results are correct it's obvious the 2014 PAX numbers are totally out of whack and unreasonably weighted toward R-comp classes. Hopefully Rick will publish numbers for 2015 that make more sense.
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    14 Sep 2014 09:01 AM
    Well the reality is that PAX is pretty much useless for Nats at this point.  If you correct the #'s to work for Nats, then it won't work at most other events so it makes no sense to do that. 
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    14 Sep 2014 01:00 PM

    Nothing stopping us from using a small-asphalt index like PAX at small asphalt sites, and developing another index for big concrete sites.

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    15 Sep 2014 01:46 PM

    Not sure what it is at Nationals about the index of being so far off for street tires. My first notion is to say it's because of all the grip. However I think Crows Landing has more grip than Lincoln and the Street tires were not far off of top pax there. 

     Is it the courses or the surface? If it's the surface I wonder if this Device could be used to set a modifier to the Pax index based on the surface.

    We say Pax doesn't matter but a good portion of the Pro Solo Classes are based upon a modified Pax.

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    15 Sep 2014 02:59 PM

    PAX has 1/6th of Rcomp/Slick participants indexing above all Street participants. Assuming the strength of competition is closer to even, here is a method for reducing the Tire/Surface Interaction inherent within the PAX values applied to Nationals. 

     1. Pull out all S and ST drivers (maintain PAX order). Reassign position for each separate list.

    Position Name Class PAX
    1 Ron Williams STC 101.551
    2 Andrew Canak STS 101.634
    3 Andrew Pallotta STX 101.703
    4 Shane Jensen STC 101.85
    5 Ian Baker STS 101.948

    Position Name Class PAX
    1 Darren Seltzer FM 97.462
    2 Dan Wasdahl AM 97.725
    3 Christopher May BSP 98.278
    4 Robert Thorne BSP 98.31
    5 Chris Edens BSP 98.587

    2. Count Total in each separated list.

    Street = 522
    Rcomp/Slick = 623


    3. Get percentile values within each list, (Total - Position)/Total

    Position Name Class PAX %ile
    1 Ron Williams STC 101.551 100%
    2 Andrew Canak STS 101.634 100%
    3 Andrew Pallotta STX 101.703 99%
    4 Shane Jensen STC 101.85 99%
    5 Ian Baker STS 101.948 99%
    6 Bryan Heitkotte STX 102.041 99%
    7 Lance Keeley STX 102.082 99%
    8 Nick Barbato STR 102.106 98%
    9 Jason Ruggles STX 102.254 98%
    10 Kinch Reindl STC 102.362 98%
    11 Michael Yanase STX 102.402 98%
    12 David Whitener STC 102.432 98%
    13 Will Kalman STC 102.452 98%
    14 Ricky Crow STX 102.483 97%
    15 Steve OBlenes STX 102.541 97%
    16 Matthew Braun STR 102.612 97%
    17 Craig Wilcox STX 102.624 97%
    18 Colin Fiedler STR 102.625 97%
    19 Jeff Wong STC 102.643 96%
    20 Mike Simanyi STX 102.656 96%

     

    Position Name Class PAX %ile
    1 Darren Seltzer FM 97.462 100%
    2 Dan Wasdahl AM 97.725 100%
    3 Christopher May BSP 98.278 100%
    4 Robert Thorne BSP 98.31 99%
    5 Chris Edens BSP 98.587 99%
    6 Todd Kean SM 98.638 99%
    7 Mike Lane BSP 98.878 99%
    8 G.J. Dixon SSR 98.983 99%
    9 Billy Davis CSP 99.036 99%
    10 Andy Hollis SMF 99.096 98%
    11 Sam Strano SSR 99.3 98%
    12 Matthew Glagola SSM 99.328 98%
    13 Dave Montgomery FP 99.383 98%
    14 Bill Rogerson ASP 99.418 98%
    15 Jake Namer SSM 99.468 98%
    16 Clemens Burger BM 99.566 97%
    17 Tony Rivera BSP 99.574 97%
    18 Ryan Johnson SSP 99.596 97%
    19 Aaron Miller ASP 99.622 97%
    20 Fred Zust XP 99.624 97%



    4. Recombine both lists.

    5. Sort based on the percentile values derived from separation. Reassign position values.

    Position Name Class PAX %ile
    1 Darren Seltzer FM 97.462 100%
    2 Ron Williams STC 101.551 100%
    3 Dan Wasdahl AM 97.725 100%
    4 Andrew Canak STS 101.634 100%
    5 Christopher May BSP 98.278 100%
    6 Andrew Pallotta STX 101.703 99%
    7 Robert Thorne BSP 98.31 99%
    8 Shane Jensen STC 101.85 99%
    9 Chris Edens BSP 98.587 99%
    10 Ian Baker STS 101.948 99%
    11 Todd Kean SM 98.638 99%
    12 Mike Lane BSP 98.878 99%
    13 Bryan Heitkotte STX 102.041 99%
    14 G.J. Dixon SSR 98.983 99%
    15 Lance Keeley STX 102.082 99%
    16 Billy Davis CSP 99.036 99%
    17 Nick Barbato STR 102.106 98%
    18 Andy Hollis SMF 99.096 98%
    19 Jason Ruggles STX 102.254 98%
    20 Sam Strano SSR 99.3 98%
    21 Kinch Reindl STC 102.362 98%
    22 Matthew Glagola SSM 99.328 98%
    23 Dave Montgomery FP 99.383 98%
    24 Michael Yanase STX 102.402 98%
    25 Bill Rogerson ASP 99.418 98%
    26 David Whitener STC 102.432 98%
    27 Jake Namer SSM 99.468 98%
    28 Will Kalman STC 102.452 98%
    29 Clemens Burger BM 99.566 97%
    30 Ricky Crow STX 102.483 97%
    31 Tony Rivera BSP 99.574 97%
    32 Steve OBlenes STX 102.541 97%
    33 Ryan Johnson SSP 99.596 97%
    34 Aaron Miller ASP 99.622 97%
    35 Matthew Braun STR 102.612 97%
    36 Fred Zust XP 99.624 97%
    37 Craig Wilcox STX 102.624 97%
    38 Tom Berry ASP 99.633 97%
    39 Colin Fiedler STR 102.625 97%
    40 Troy Acosta FP 99.641 96%
    41 Jeff Wong STC 102.643 96%
    42 Randall Wilcox SSM 99.643 96%
    43 Mike Simanyi STX 102.656 96%
    44 Josh Luster SSR 99.672 96%
    45 Jeff Kiesel EM 99.749 96%
    46 Max Hayter STX 102.719 96%
    47 Andy Hohl SSP 99.764 96%
    48 Don Slevin STX 102.746 96%
    49 Brandon Lavende CM 99.949 96%
    50 Jonathan Lugod STR 102.804 96%
    51 Doug Rowse DSP 99.954 96%
    52 Ken Motonishi STR 102.829 95%
    53 John Vitamvas DSP 99.968 95%
    54 Jeff Stuart CS 102.889 95%
    55 Gary Thomason SSR 100.022 95%
    56 Neal Tovsen CSP 100.053 95%
    57 Nick Bjoin STR 102.9 95%
    58 Jason Merritt SM 100.069 95%
    59 Bart Hockerman STX 102.989 95%
    60 Brian Kuehl SMF 100.101 95%
    61 David Marcus STR 102.994 95%
    62 Billy Brooks ESP 100.101 95%
    63 Greg Reno HS 103.086 94%
    64 Carter Thompson SSM 100.123 94%
    65 Geoff Walker STR 103.121 94%
    66 Daniel Stone BM 100.13 94%
    67 Mark Scroggs GS 103.121 94%
    68 Jeff Janzen SSR 100.158 94%
    69 Jadrice Toussai ESP 100.167 94%
    70 Jon Pomrenke STR 103.139 94%
    71 Mark Huffman DM 100.185 94%
    72 Chris Fenter CS 103.146 94%
    73 Jinx Jordan SMF 100.246 94%
    74 Mark McKnight STS 103.223 93%
    75 Jason Hobbs FM 100.251 93%
    76 Kevin Dietz STR 103.264 93%
    77 Dave Heinrich ESP 100.257 93%
    78 Brian Peters STU 103.325 93%
    79 Bill Schenker CSP 100.263 93%
    80 Steve Lau SSP 100.32 93%
    81 Stephen Murphy STC 103.33 93%
    82 Eric Hyman SM 100.333 93%
    83 Mike Snyder STS 103.332 93%
    84 Michael Maier CP 100.351 93%
    85 Chris Bailey STS 103.336 93%
    86 Julian Garfield DSP 100.355 92%
    87 Lee Chhit STF 103.351 92%
    88 Frank Likert BSP 100.359 92%
    89 Trevor Jones GS 103.436 92%
    90 Greg McCance ESP 100.362 92%
    91 Mark Madarash CP 100.375 92%
    92 Adam Barber STC 103.465 92%
    93 Tyler Faucett SM 100.383 92%
    94 Mark Daddio AS 103.474 92%
    95 Matt McCabe CSP 100.418 92%
    96 Joe Silva STX 103.506 92%
    97 Ryan Finch ESP 100.458 91%
    98 Andres Rodrigue STF 103.545 91%
    99 Jeff Cashmore DM 100.485 91%
    100 Tim Carritte HS 103.551 91%

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    15 Sep 2014 08:36 PM
    D-Street National Champion was 404th on the PAX index.   There were 24 entrants in the class, too, so it's not like a scrub like myself showed up and ran unopposed.   The class leader would have had to go 8.5 seconds faster (scratch time) to top the PAX chart.  Is there a driver on the planet that is so good they could have topped the DS field by 8.5 seconds?  I don't think so. 
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    16 Sep 2014 11:46 AM
    Was DS fully dry? At least 2 groups were hosed on rain
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    16 Sep 2014 01:08 PM
    I won SS and paxed 451st. Full dry both days. The pax and index numbers are a joke. Don't pat yourself on the back for paxing well this year. 14 of the classes (street tires) pax #'s are irrelevant.
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    16 Sep 2014 04:34 PM

    The only heats that had rain were 3rd and 5th on Friday. Even then, most (but not all) got a couple of dry runs. In 3rd heat on Friday, it was so crazy that there were people that got only 1 dry run, while others got 3.

     But I'll say it again, PAX is worthless for Nats now.

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    16 Sep 2014 07:24 PM
    Yes, I agree, the street tire cars can't seem to get out of their own way on Lincoln's concrete, with high average speed courses.

    Also, yes, there will be adjustments to the index, but that won't help much. Super Stock Street would have required an Index Factor less than H Street in order to be anywhere near the top. It will take some time, but I'll work on developing a "Street" multiplier for concrete events. I'll be posting my versions of the Nationals Index Results shortly.

    H's & K's,
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