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Last Post 12 Jan 2001 07:49 PM by  BryanH
Did you consider vBulletin instead of UBB?
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Shaman
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03 Jan 2001 08:40 PM
    The search in vBulletin is 100x faster than in UBB (at least) and is getting a lot more support than UBB/Opentopic. Heck, Opentopic is going to use flat "dynamic" files. OOF!

    I dig this board, but you are going to run into ls1.com problems with it (big server, bad performance) eventually.

    I know vB intimately if you are considering such a thing. Honestly, you'll thank me for it at a later date... all the bigger UBB I know of have had to turn off their search functions and do thread cleansing regularly.

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    Shaman
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    03 Jan 2001 08:45 PM
    P.S. I love that WS6 Formula at the top of the page. Lots of suspension mods, obviously... even if it's obvious that the owner should have gone with the smaller bar, bigger springs/shocks method... that tire's two inches off the ground... looks cool though, bet he was hauling to get that effect. SCCAForums Image

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    Dave Schotz
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    04 Jan 2001 06:06 AM
    Shaman, you are the 2nd person that has recommended vB. We will have to look into the pros and cons of it. UBB seems to be the leader right now, and preferably I feel like the comparison is VHS vs BETA, or DVD vs DIVX. I just want a standard platform. I don't want to be left out in the cold. I would think UBB will work on improving, since they are so popular... But I will look into both, please feel free to email me privately if you can share additional pros & cons.

    As for the car in the corner... THAT WAS MINE! SO watch it mister! I took that car to 2nd Place for 1999 Solo 2 Nationals... with only about 4 months prep time! The front bar was the factory 1LE, with Heim Join ends, and the Front Spring rate was upwards of 800! SCCAForums Image

    It would lift the tire like that around corners under throttle... I called it my lil BMW (For those that have seen Bob Tunnel's Car in Action!)

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    Shaman
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    04 Jan 2001 06:50 AM
    Dave, it would seem the opposite is true of UBB. It's not well known because the UBB developers have a bad habit of banning vbulletin posts, and also any posts that have anything less than good to say about UBB. It's easy to get the impression that it's a well-supported piece of software, but anyone, [b]right now[/b], that knew about the long-standing (8 months?) security bugs in UBB, could destroy this board in an instant. They say that they won't fix the problems, but instead expect you to wait for Opentopic, their new "hosted" application. Scary.

    vBulletin has released six releases this year, and just released a new point version to fix known bugs even though their 2.0 product will be in beta release in about a week or so. It uses PHP (faster than mod_perl, which UBB isn't compliant with anyway) and MySQL. There are UBBs out there that would die with 10K messages and 30 people reading, and there are vBulletin systems with 400 people reading 180K messages and still going. In fact, most of the vBulletin owners are UBB converts.

    YMMV. I just think this board is a great idea and if I'm going to use it, it'd be a mistake not to tell you the problems you can avoid by moving from UBB. SCCAForums Image
    [url="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6097"]http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6097[/URL]
    [url="http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6314"]http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6314[/URL]

    I think those messages may shine a light on what I'm talking about. If you want information drop me a line, I'll help you out, no obligations. Just glad to have a resource.

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    8Complex
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    04 Jan 2001 12:42 PM
    Personally I haven't found a BB that I've liked more then UBB-setup boards. As evidenced by my liking this site and my being the high-poster and Moderator over at [url="http://www.impreza-rs.com"]www.impreza-rs.com[/URL] . SCCAForums Image
    Shaman
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    05 Jan 2001 05:53 AM
    Then you should love vBulletin. It's UBB, done better. Much better. I voted with [b]my[/b] dollars about six months ago, and I'm most pleased with it. UBB is just a hack in comparison.

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    Mike
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    09 Jan 2001 10:50 PM
    i am definintely a novice here...

    but ford-diesel.com is using UBB and has like 9000 members (i have a superduty tow vehicle)
    i have never had a problem as a user on it and to date i really like the UBB formats.
    theres a few others out there . i was looking for one for where i work and still havent made a decision which one.

    i found some good information at
    yabb.org
    its a BB about BB's


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    Mike Gibson
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    10 Jan 2001 04:17 AM
    Mike:

    We just purchased UBB for work as a replacement for a not-so-good news reader-based company information system. So far we really like it. It's easy to install and works great!

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    Ken Grammer
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    BryanH
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    10 Jan 2001 06:02 PM
    I visit the vBulletin forums at [url="http://www.mr2pages.com"]www.mr2pages.com[/URL] regularly. For me on my 28.8 modem, UBB is much faster loading. vBulletin can load excruciatingly slowly at times. This could be partially due to the servers, but I haven't encountered a slow UBB yet.

    That said, the extra secuirity of vBulletin may be worth it. Although vB is also crash-happy with IE5.5.

    Just another 2c

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    Shaman
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    11 Jan 2001 10:11 AM
    I'm bewildered to hear you say that. But you never know what any UBB is running on.

    Most of the UBBs I know have to turn their search feature off because it murders their server. Take [url="http://www.ls1.com"]www.ls1.com[/URL] for example. UBBers get kicked off web hosts regularly for chewing up shared servers. I've only once heard of a vB system that did.

    But... oh well. YMMV. I don't mind the way this board works or anything, I just would prefer the features, etc. of something more advanced.

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    Anubis
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    11 Jan 2001 11:27 AM
    Not only does server capacity become an issue but it is the network your connected into. That runs from the the very beginning at the NIC on the server to your providers backbone. Any weak link and your connection will be not be great. I don't know what Dave has this server connected on but I haven't noticed any lag whatso-ever in loading. These days a DS1 is pretty standard.

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    Lance Snyder
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    BryanH
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    11 Jan 2001 01:33 PM
    For what it's worth I rarely bother with search features. I mainly just read and reply to threads. SCCAForums Image

    Either board is fine with me, really. Both are easy to use.

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    Shaman
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    11 Jan 2001 05:45 PM
    Try [url="http://www.kos.net/chat/"]http://www.kos.net/chat/[/URL]

    That's my company's vB. It has around 6000 posts, but half the users.

    Still, try a search on it, and try zipping around it. It's a bone-stock vB 1.1.5. Running on a Dual PIII-550 with 1GB memory and a few drives - it barely bumps the load of that computer at all when someone's reading. Compare the search to UBB.

    The search feature is the real teller, IMHO. It won't slow down the board much at all while on UBB, it thrashes the system like mad.

    There are other reasons too, but I'm trying to keep it simple without talking about the advantages of SQL vs. flat files, and all the other interesting things you can do with SQL coding (like adding board stats, etc. on other pages). Oh wait, I did.

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    [This message has been edited by Shaman (edited January 11, 2001).]
    BryanH
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    11 Jan 2001 10:25 PM
    I poked around over there for a bit. It's not too bad. Still a little slower than most UBB forums I visit, but noticeably faster than the mr2pages.com forum. Maybe it's just my ancient machine. SCCAForums Image

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    Shaman
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    12 Jan 2001 10:39 AM
    Hmm. Slower. Than UBB.

    A dual Pentium-III 550 with 1GB memory on an OC3 line, sporting a 0.01 load. O.K. Maybe the tables are messin' with your browser. SCCAForums Image

    2:42pm up 84 day(s), 3:59, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01

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    BryanH
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    12 Jan 2001 07:49 PM
    Probably just my old computer. SCCAForums Image To give you an idea of how fast your vB board is for me, it loads about one post per second. So a thread with 20 posts will take about 20 seconds to fully load. This is assuming no images imbedded in the posts. It's kind of annoying if I've been to a thread before and I want to see the latest replies at the bottom... I have to wait while it loads one post each second for it to get down there. SCCAForums Image
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