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25 Jan 2001 04:02 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NBM LS1 M6:
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However, a newcomer to autox may find himself posting times with his high performance car that are significantly slower than an experienced driver in the same car a fortiori an experienced driver in a subcompact. There is something humbling about owning a Corvette and getting outdriven by someone in a Ford Focus!! Perhaps this is why when some of the so-called hot rodders come to their first autox, they may silently leave with their tail between their legs after their proverbial genitals are handed to them on a platter by their own mental comparison to that experienced driver in the Ford Focus who finished right after him and was breathing down his neck on the course??? SCCAForums Image[/b]


Well said, I get kick out of how nibble a neon is in the right hands, than a guy in a 5.0 mustang.. Its all driver and I hope to be one of them some day soon..

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25 Jan 2001 08:16 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NBM LS1 M6:
[b] I have driven compact and subcompact cars on the autox course, but IMNSHO there is nothing to compare with the adrenaline rush that comes from driving a high performance car on an autox course. For my own part, I am not sure I could go back to driving compact cars after the experience of horsepower and torque. SCCAForums Image SCCAForums Image

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Hey Bob,
Ever been beaten by a compact car with less horsepower? SCCAForums Image

I know I couldn't beat you right now but I've seen some them ITR's doing alright, and there is something to be said about having to get the max out of your car to get a good time rather than just depend on power.
I think it is more fun to drive a quick nimble car than a heavy powerful one IMHO. SCCAForums Image

After getting my ears wet this year, I plan on getting another car to run Street Prepared next year. Don't know what yet,(don't know enough yet to decide! SCCAForums Image )
but it won't be a V8. For one I think it may be cheaper to run in the long run to race with a compact (IMHO).


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25 Jan 2001 08:28 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trys_Hard:
[b] Hey Bob, Ever been beaten by a compact car with less horsepower? [/b]


My next modification is going to be a sticker on the rear hatch that says "There's no substitute for horsepower."

I have plans to give my car another 100 rear wheel horsepower and removed several hundred pounds of weight out of the car. SCCAForums Image SCCAForums Image

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03 Feb 2001 12:21 PM
It's good to see that this subject sparked to life. I've been in contact with Bruce Rodman, New England Region Comp Board Chairman, & Jeremy, about starting a program to try and bring in new people. We are hoping to have something soon. About all we can do now is just spread the word.

I was thinking about going to New England Dragway with my ITA Escort GT. It's not very exciting for a road racer, but maybe the other "straight liners" will be curious enough & come over and ask where I race it. SCCAForums Image

Last year, when the $$ was low, I brought my IT car to a local show. It was a last minute decision to go. It was 95% classic and/or custom cars, but they had some roundy-round race cars (including a couple of Busch North). I had a few people stop to look at the car. I just wish I had some promotional stuff to hand out. NE Region has some good promo stuff that they hand out. Check your own region for promo stuff. And if they do, grab a stack to hand out.

If anyone has any promotional ideas, feel free to type them out. I'd like to get any and all help with this.

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04 Feb 2001 02:02 PM
Guess my post response to this got deleted by a mod here????

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05 Feb 2001 09:44 PM
I've been reading this thread with much interest! I think STS is probably the best idea SCCA has had for a looong time! More can be accomplished though. There are many things local regions can do to increase participation, with some clear thinking and planning.

I was thinking of a couple of things that helped a non-SCCA club I belong to increase it's membership. They began staging autocross events in high visibility areas. Two of their events were in parking lots of LARGE malls in my area. The course was easily visible from the main roads, and in one instance, we had half the course surrounded by curious onlookers. It was terrific! (easy visibilty is free promotion!)

These events were staged in the beginning to mid-season, so as by the time we got to the "speed" events (i.e. at local racetracks), we had tons of new members. I think this has a lot of staying power to get most of them to return. (Scheduling, scheduling, scheduling! Draw in members, then save the "best" events for last!)

This group also holds events on college campuses to further promote the sport. A lot of the new members are college kids. (Sellect your target demographic)

Granted not all groups can do this, but this *privateer* group offers a lot more than the local SCCA region: cheaper membership, monthly news letter, group discussion threads, rallies, etc. There is also a distinct lack of backbiting, which appeals most to me the most. Best of all, the privateer group is FRIENDLY. Take the time to talk to new people, answer their questions. I think half the fun is letting them ride with you to scare the hell out of 'em! Just my two cents.... SCCAForums Image


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06 Feb 2001 09:41 AM
TT... I didn't delete any posts... I thought this thread has been constuctive and positive. Ken has been at Daytona, so I don't think he would have either, sorry for the lost post... feel free to repost, or reply.
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06 Feb 2001 02:45 PM
OK you folks wanna get more people.
Here is one idea that I am implementing.
Our SCCA membership guru made up a bunch of business cards.

My daily driver looks like a racecar (numbers stickers and a BIG SCCA decal on the windshield). Taking the following terminology from Stacey (which I use alot myself)...

When "riceboys, ricers, whatever" try to race me on the street, I yank out a SCCA business card, and say "Bring it to the track" and continue about my business. I have been called a wimp, etc... but it has worked a few times.

When I see a car in a parking lot with a harness, or just gives of the "I wanna be a racecar" aura, I give it a card on the windshield.

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06 Feb 2001 07:22 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave Schotz:
[b]TT... I didn't delete any posts... I thought this thread has been constuctive and positive. Ken has been at Daytona, so I don't think he would have either, sorry for the lost post... feel free to repost, or reply.
Take Care,
Dave Schotz

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Just to confirm...I didn't delete the post either. As Dave said, I've been in Daytona playing "Start Boy". It was wet, but a blast! At least the Ernhardts know who the SCCA is now SCCAForums Image


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07 Feb 2001 05:13 AM
Wildman, I like your SCCA promotions using the windshield decals & the business cards.

Ken, how about a little more information about the father & son intruduction to SCCA racing. Been looking but have seen no results.



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07 Feb 2001 06:56 AM
The business cards are a great idea. NER has used those for a couple of years. It has the schedule of races on it, and they are good for free access to any road racing event that we are running. Just show up during registration, and get your pass. It is a good way to get people to come up.

It's worked for a few people at my work. They haven't joined, yet, but I'm working on it (it seems they like to just show up and party!). Plus, they are going around telling there friends about it, and trying to get them to come up. It's a start.

Another idea that I have had, but haven't had much luck with (probably because of the area), is having an import car show at the track with the SCCA. We have a couple of events where all factions of the region participate (Solo, road race and rally), and I think it would be good to get an import car show up there the same weekend. Then they can see everything, and decide if they want to bring their street racer out and compete. This might work better in more areas where the "ricers" are. Not too many of them in New England.



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07 Feb 2001 11:10 AM
Unfortunately Karen this is not a track problem. The problem is that it is not possible to control crowds around most tracks where access is to great without large numbers of people to conrtol them. So the insurance companies restrict SCCA to only those people they can carry under their umbrella, to keep our cost per race down and to prevent liability from a spectator getting injured from their own ignorance. That why we need sponsors to help increase insurance coverage. SCCAForums Image [QUOTE]Originally posted by CamaroFS34:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by gecko:
[b]Speaking as a new member 01/01 & hoping not to offend, I might add that it is VERY difficult for folks to get hooked when it is so difficult for them to find out about or get into events. Out this way you've got to know someone & be on a crew list just to spectate. [/b]

This sounds more like a track problem than SCCA, but I could be wrong. Summit Point Raceway, for instance, allows anyone to watch races that take place there, for $20 for a weekend. Of course, if you're on a crew list, or if you're a worker, you don't have to pay.

I'm not sure, but I do *not* think that money goes to the renting club.

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07 Feb 2001 11:44 AM
Great subject! One of the reasons it is known as the secret car club is due to the fact that SCCA continues to ignore the most popular classes nationwide bar none and that is IT!! This class is the very thing that gains most interest amoung the younger group who might want to get involved but can't afford or have no interest in open wheel cars, They see these older former street cars, many of them like their own and they think wow!! I didn't know I could do that!
IT is not even a National class even though in a host of regions they actually have to run IT races on National weekends just to pay the rent because IT fills the field. Face it, IT is the step child nobody cares about until the old guard changes in Denver, moves into the new Millinium and recognizes IT for the respectible class it is SCCA will remain the "Secret Car Club of America". This class is a perfect attention getter for a National support race series at the pro level for Trans Am, World Challenge or other, but closed eyes and deaf ears don't hear the cry or see the potential. So here we sit going nowhere fast unless you spend big bucks to run one of those other series.
You also don't have any opportunity what ever to get noticed. So that is my observation of the larger picture. SCCAForums Image SCCAForums Image
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 7racing:
[b]There is a post in the IT section that begins with "the Secret Car Club of America." Interesting thought, why is an organization as large as SCCA considered a secret? What can be done to get the idea of SCCA amateur competition out to the public and potential sponsors?

With the start of NIRA and IDRA, there has been a huge amount of aftermarket and manufacturer support. Didn't production have that same appeal "back in the day?" What happened to it, and how do we get it back? IT, production, and a few open wheel classes could benefit greatly with some support from exhaust companies, suspension, wheels, engine management, etc, etc. SCCA should be able to be involved with the Import racing movement. IT and Production includes most of the cars that these other import organizations include (Honda, Acura, BMW, Mazda, VW). And the people running these cars are the 20-30yr olds that can be the future of SCCA. Let's find a way to get our club noticed by them.


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08 Feb 2001 03:13 PM
I'm 17 and have just gotten into autocrossing a couple months ago. I've known about SCCA for a long time, but I've only known that they have ameature(sp?) classes and autocrossing for a little less than a year. I first heard about solo II from miata.net. I tell all my friends, and try to spread the word at my school. It's true though, practically no one knows about the more accessible parts of the SCCA (such as solo II.)
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12 Feb 2001 11:10 AM
An outcome of the Nat'l Convention IS an increased public recognition campaign, and Denver is prepared to consider any venues & groups as potential members, spectators, participants, & partners...as with anything, time will tell..... (esp. w/scca...)
(you might check scca.org....)

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12 Feb 2001 02:06 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CMM83:
[b]I'm 17 and have just gotten into autocrossing a couple months ago. I've known about SCCA for a long time, but I've only known that they have ameature(sp?) classes and autocrossing for a little less than a year. I first heard about solo II from miata.net. I tell all my friends, and try to spread the word at my school. It's true though, practically no one knows about the more accessible parts of the SCCA (such as solo II.)
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There's the problem, the more entry level the sport the less press it gets. If it doesn't get press then nobody knows how to get involved. It also doesn't help that racers often look down on Solo guys. If you want people involved then encourage them to come out to Solo events, that's what will get them hooked.


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13 Feb 2001 02:01 PM
A suggestion on another list was to organize a solo or rallyx AT a dragstrip & see who from the straight-line crowd looks over the fence - usually you have to market to 10-20 to even 100 to get just 1 or 2 new participants in most activities (just a fact of life).
anyway, haven't been to NE D'way in a long time so don't know what they've got for extra space or what the management's view might be towards this kind of co-authored event. anybody got contacts?
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13 Feb 2001 02:52 PM
Hey Andy, we should bring both of ours cars up to New England Drangway the same night. We'll run against each other, and maybe those straight line people will notice us and come to ask what we do. I only live about a 1/2 hour from there. You can email me directly buddy@greennet.net if you want.

Jeremy, maybe we should start to push the main office about making IT a National class. Talk to Bruce and see what he thinks. I plan on some new graphics for the IT car & I plan on putting info on how to get involved in the SCCA. Another thing is the SCCA stickers should have the the .org and maybe a contact phone # in tiny print.

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13 Feb 2001 11:00 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WildManPiet:
[b] My daily driver looks like a racecar (numbers stickers and a BIG SCCA decal on the windshield). Taking the following terminology from Stacey (which I use alot myself)... When "riceboys, ricers, whatever" try to race me on the street, I yank out a SCCA business card, and say "Bring it to the track" and continue about my business. I have been called a wimp, etc... but it has worked a few times. [/b]


I couldn't agree more. Both of my cars display SCCA stickers, and other logos, prominently. It was just today that I **again** encountered the questioning that corresponds to one of my pet peeves. SCCAForums Image

I was having the oil changed in both of my cars. It was a rainy day today, and there were about four young guys standing around at the quick lube place. When I pulled up, one of them wanted to know what the car ran in the 1/4 mile.

They wanted to know whether the engine was stock or modded, and suspension modifications did not seem to be something they associated with performance in the same way as they did engine mods. In contrast, those of us who autox understand that our cars have more than enough horsepower.

All I could think about was the fact that autox is so much more fun IMNSHO than drag racing. . . and part of the issue is that I find I must concentrate on one thing. A lot of the young crowd thinks 1/4 mile, and they aren't very aware of the other opportunities. One hears about in the news, and reads about in the newspapers, illegal street racing all the time.

Drag racing venues have been disappearing from SoCal. Now we are having a hard time finding lots to host autox events. I tend to link these issues, and display negative emotions over the illegal street racing, and the so-called rice boy images, etc., as a result, as I see it impacting our ability to find and keep lots to host autox events. ;(

As I pulled out of the quick lube place, I heard this guy yell "light'em up," but all I was thinking about was the way those Kumhos gripped around the corner as I left. SCCAForums Image

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17 Feb 2001 05:34 PM
I sent Steve an email on this subject with a couple of ideas.
First, Get involved with HOT IMPORT NIGHTS events that are held at convention centers across the country. Have a first class presentation in an atmosphere where these young people are out looking instead of competing (as at drag races). That way they have time to see what SCCA has to offer.
Next, have an Asian and or Hispanic racer from a bigtime series (F1, CART, IRL, Trans AM, or other)as a SCCA spokesperson. Make them visable in the Compact Magazines. The potential sponsership association with this new bunch of young motorheads is HUGE. If SCCA doesn't recruit these people, some other racing body will. They bring to much buying power with them to be ignored.
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