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12/24/2011 4:05 PM
 

I am looking to get into racing in SCCA and would appreciate some advice on which class to start in. I am probably going to get a WRX (possibly STi), when I graduate from college. I want to compete in road racing on a track with other cars. I might do some autocrossing but I'd prefer something more high-speed, such as club racing. I also want to be able to drive my car normally and race it without changing to much to the vehicle. Any suggestions as to which class I should look into?

 
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12/24/2011 4:23 PM
 
Road racing is going to require some kind of roll cage and other safety equipment, so those are a pretty major change and can make the car uncomfortable (if not unsafe) to drive on the street (having a roll cage with no helmet is quite dangerous).

It's not impossible to have a dual-purpose car, it's likely to be a compromise for both daily driving and racing.

2011 Packwood ProSolo C-Stock Champion
Author of AXAnalyst and PAXitis
Data Analysis Blog: http://blog.axanalyst.com
 
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12/24/2011 5:42 PM
 
I'm going to make the wild assumption you are going to start out autocrossing and say either D stock or STX. You can race autocross what you daily drive but will be limited when you get to street prepared status.

Clark Walker #274 STR Bloomington, IL
 
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12/24/2011 11:23 PM
 
So is there any type of road racing without a roll cage?
 
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12/25/2011 4:10 AM
 
dskowal wrote:
So is there any type of road racing without a roll cage?

 Not legally...  But the WRX makes a great autocross car.

Of course some folks like to start road-racing for a few years to build up their skills before tackling autocross.... ;-)

Under the circumstances you might have to start in the deep end of the pool?

(Merry Christmas)

More seriously - here are a few reasons why a dual purpose daily driver/race car DOES work in autocross, and why it's fun and worth doing...

1. no roll cage required

2. outstanding means of learning car control (which for most folks takes longer than we think it will)

3. supportive and expert community - a progression from novice to Regional to National which is a tall ladder that few reach the top of

4. relatively affordable - at the regional level I race twice a month and spend less than a grand for the season (or that's my story anyway...)

5. transferable skills - confidence at the edge of traction helps with road racing (and on the street too if sh*t happens)

6. mental challenge - an autocrosser on course is making decisions at a higher rate than a driver on a road course

7. less personal risk - flatbed trucks and ambulances are not present at an autocross, I have a reasonable expectation that I'll drive home in my own car

8. less financial risk - one should never put a car on a racetrack that one cannot afford to write off

But if you have your heart set on road racing, more power to you!

Kind regards,

Charlie

 
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12/25/2011 10:35 AM
 
Remember that wheel to wheel road racing will require a good bit of $$$.
 
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12/25/2011 11:13 AM
 

It sounds like the OP would be a great candidate for autocrossing. You could try some HPDE's to fulfill your need for speed, but it isn't racing, thus your car wouldn't be classed. 

 
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12/25/2011 9:19 PM
 
Adam303 wrote:

It sounds like the OP would be a great candidate for autocrossing. You could try some HPDE's to fulfill your need for speed, but it isn't racing, thus your car wouldn't be classed. 

+1 on dual-purpose autocrossing car.

The car you see in my avatar autocrossing is also my daily driver -- without all of the magnetics and stickers (although I do tend to keep the "Tire Rack" banner on the car 12-months out of the year).


2011 Packwood ProSolo C-Stock Champion
Author of AXAnalyst and PAXitis
Data Analysis Blog: http://blog.axanalyst.com
 
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12/25/2011 9:56 PM
 

Thanks to everyone for all the informative, and quick, responses. I've definitely gained a better perspective on my situation. It seems that road racing is probably a bit out of my price range (and probably many peoples) since you can't race your daily driver and need additional money for various other costs (i.e. trailer, tires, maintenance, parts). I will give autocross a try and I will probably enjoy it just as well.

 
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12/26/2011 8:08 AM
 
www.goaheadtakethewheel.com has a lot of good info.

 Jeff

 
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12/26/2011 12:11 PM
 
Consider a race school or a rental race car at a SCCA drivers school.
You will get the benefit of the car owner's knowledge in addition to the training offered by the school.
You will spend a good bit of money in a hurry, but you will probably leave knowing if and when you wish to go forward with your racing hobby.

Wayne Hill
SCCA 66-83, 93-now
Nat Sound Control, Sr. F&C, ex Emer. Svcs.
'07 VOY, '71 Martin Tanner co-Awd.
 
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2/1/2012 12:22 PM
 
dskowal wrote:
So is there any type of road racing without a roll cage?

 No.  But if you have a roof you can do track days (PDE, HPDE, etc.) and time trials with NASA.  Track day events are not competitions and no (offical) times are recorded, time trial (or Time Attacks for tuner croud) are competitions but against the clock.  Best lap wins, so while there are other cars on track, actively fighting wheel to wheel is unnessary and discuraged. SCCA requires at least a roll bar for Time Trials.  I would strongly suggest considering Time Trails as another option.  Its a useful in between step between Solo & full Road Racing.  But Solo is a good first step and way cheaper and safer than track events.

As others have suggested, renting a track car is a smart move before buying to see what class/car you prefer (and the rental costs should be somewhat reflective of the running costs of the car per event, something good to know before you buy).  And road racing your only car is probably not a good idea (this also somewhat applies to TT but not to Solo) as many bad things can happen (sometimes not your fault) that can leave you with an undriveable car and no way to get home or to work Monday.

Finially pick your desired class FIRST, then pick a car that will be reasonably competitive (look at posted event results to see what cars are running up front).  Picking the car first often leads to regret or the need to buy a different car when you want to get serious.

 
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3/31/2012 11:19 PM
 
cmt52663 wrote:
dskowal wrote:
So is there any type of road racing without a roll cage?

 Not legally...  But the WRX makes a great autocross car.

Of course some folks like to start road-racing for a few years to build up their skills before tackling autocross.... ;-)

Under the circumstances you might have to start in the deep end of the pool?

(Merry Christmas)

More seriously - here are a few reasons why a dual purpose daily driver/race car DOES work in autocross, and why it's fun and worth doing...

1. no roll cage required

2. outstanding means of learning car control (which for most folks takes longer than we think it will)

3. supportive and expert community - a progression from novice to Regional to National which is a tall ladder that few reach the top of

4. relatively affordable - at the regional level I race twice a month and spend less than a grand for the season (or that's my story anyway...)

5. transferable skills - confidence at the edge of traction helps with road racing (and on the street too if sh*t happens)

6. mental challenge - an autocrosser on course is making decisions at a higher rate than a driver on a road course

7. less personal risk - flatbed trucks and ambulances are not present at an autocross, I have a reasonable expectation that I'll drive home in my own car

8. less financial risk - one should never put a car on a racetrack that one cannot afford to write off

But if you have your heart set on road racing, more power to you!

Kind regards,

Charlie

 I agree with Charlie's post wholeheartedly.  I've been doing track days and SCCA Solo for a coupe of years and found both to be a great way to develop skills like looking ahead, smoothness of inputs (brake, brake release, throttle) and patience.  That being said, if you really have your sights on club racing but are unsure of what car/class you're interested in, you could show up at a race weekend and ask the drivers questions.  Next, you could rent a car or various types of cars to see which one you like best.  I'll be renting a Spec Miata this season to do some Club Racing.  If I like it, I'll have my local speed shop convert my track/autocross Miata into a SM for the following season.  Good luck and have fun!

/Rich

 
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