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ESP89:

I think the 54U is used a signal to the Ford system to designate it as a Shelby as it is built; 

So Marcus, is your's going to remain [gasp] stock?

Pat

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'92 Sentra SE-R, daily driver and track car
'82 Camaro Z28, ESP, 65% prepared, 50% ownership

Upset about Stock class proposals? Get PISST!

Don't know yet.  Wednesday was my last day at Ford so I need to find some income now.  :)

 

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Marcus
ESP 89
www.margravemotorsports.com

F-stock is cheaper than ESP.....

 

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Sam Strano
Owner--Strano Performance Parts
800-729-1831

But slower.

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Marcus
ESP 89
www.margravemotorsports.com

01 FS Z28:

F-stock is cheaper than ESP.....

Not any more.

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Karen Kraus
2005 SCCA SEDiv FS Champion
2007 SCCA DSL National Champion
2008 SCCA ProSolo L1 Champion

ESP89:

But slower.

 But no less competitive..... 

Look at it this way, you have an fast ESP car.  I'm keeping mine.  This way we can still race against each other, just in our pick of class.

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Sam Strano
Owner--Strano Performance Parts
800-729-1831

CamaroFS34:

01 FS Z28:

F-stock is cheaper than ESP.....

Not any more.

 Comparing a Shelby GT to my Camaro in ESP trim:

 18x8.5 wheels vs. 17x11.  285 tires vs. 315's.  Same weight, less power, less tire.  I don't think you'll find FS even with the Shelby running ESP times anymore than FS has in the past (and I recall Paul K beating up on my in Oscoda one year in that FS relic when I was in ESP).  And did I mention that new Mustangs dyno about 260 RWHP or so on Dynojet vs. my car that'll put down about 350-360 on a Dynojet..... 

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Sam Strano
Owner--Strano Performance Parts
800-729-1831

01 FS Z28:

CamaroFS34:

01 FS Z28:

F-stock is cheaper than ESP.....

Not any more.

 Comparing a Shelby GT to my Camaro in ESP trim: (blah blah blah about wheels and tires)

I don't think you understood my point, or if you did, you intentionally ignored it.

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Karen Kraus
2005 SCCA SEDiv FS Champion
2007 SCCA DSL National Champion
2008 SCCA ProSolo L1 Champion

Touching back on the original post: Who cares if the class has become faster or not? The point is more about grouping cars of similar capabilities.

I rented a Shelby GT-H. Wow, the car seemed to have a really stiff suspension and accelerate well. The magazine stats were not as much better than my Camaro than I expected, though. 335 hp, 0-60 in 5.3 seconds (vs. 5.5) and 0.85 g (on street tires).

My vote would be let the Shelby Mustangs into FS, so what if they dominate for a year, they'll have 400 hp Chargers and Camaros to contend with the next year. 

 

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1994 Camaro Z28 FS

I'd like to see the Ford factory ordering guide.  That document should tell what the content of the Shelby GT consists of and what options can be ordered through the Ford factory system.  Any options / performance upgrades not listed on the ordering guide would be Shelby America Inc. upgrades (IMHO.)

The Ford ordering guides for the 2007 Mustang and 2007 Mustang Shelby GT500 can be found here;

   http://www.allfordmustangs.com/articles/article_00696.shtml

Just can't find an online ordering guide for the Shelby GT.

Marcus, maybe you could ask the dealer where you purchased your car for a hard copy?

Lindsay  (Old Fart #9, Former Ford employee)

Everything I have been able to find has been passed on to the SAC.  That is why we listed it the way we did.  Unfortunately we are ahead of the Ford system and the SVO folks are not use to releasing production vehicles.  They usually do just parts and kits.

I you want a copy, just send me your email address. 

 

Marcus

Also x Ford employee.

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Marcus
ESP 89
www.margravemotorsports.com

lswilson9:

I'd like to see the Ford factory ordering guide.  That document should tell what the content of the Shelby GT consists of and what options can be ordered through the Ford factory system.  Any options / performance upgrades not listed on the ordering guide would be Shelby America Inc. upgrades (IMHO.)

The only thing you order through Ford is the 54U upfitter package.  There are no other options specific to a Shelby GT in the Ford system.  All options/peformance upgrades beyond the 54U parts are installed by Shelby Automobiles Inc and show up on their separate window sticker.  That is why there is no specific Ford ordering guide for the Shelby GT...its just one code.

 

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2005 Mustang GT
F-Stock
www.wpg-autox.org

New FASTRACK is out, well it's 'on line' that is.

Every thing is now so clear; 

   2. Stock: The Ford Shelby GT350 listing in FS (published in the February 2007 Fastrack News) should simply read “Ford Mustang Shelby GT”

BTW, I have it on good athority that a certian Colorado driver who used to run FStock will be returning to the class.

    Lindsay (Colorado Springs, CO)

 

 

Just a little FYI.  Ran DC region's first event today.  Long course (66 seconds for me).  Ran Shelby, and I ran the '05 GT of Park Wiker that I used to good effect for the Devens Tour last year.  3 runs in Shelby on new A6's, 1 run Park's car on not new V710's.  .3 different, all 4 of my runs were within that .3 space.

 Do I think the Shelby is dialed in after 3 runs?  No.  But it is by far the best out of the box car I've been in except maybe an Evo.  Yes, we have camber, and shocks and played with some pressures.  But Park also changed some things on his car too and it's the best it's ever been as well.  Basically the sky isn't falling.  And FWIW there were plenty of witnesses to this.  And the current FS National Champion told me he should have/could have run 67.0, and he told me that before I ran the '05 (but after I ran the Shelby).  I did run them the same heat, just took my 4th run in the other car. 

 

Just a data point. 

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Sam Strano
Owner--Strano Performance Parts
800-729-1831

Hey Sam,

what size a6's were you running? How much did it lower the car? Was ground clearance and jacking an issue considering the diameter of the a6's, FRPP suspension and cali special front bumper?  

Also, what about the Hurst? Is it a little slice of heaven? Exhaust, did you like the way it sounded? I was looking at one at the dealer yesterday, said he would come down to only 3000 over msrp, from 49!!!  These guys are arrogant  about it too.

 

 

There is one at my local dealer, looks to be around $39-40k with the stickers added together.  It's been there at least 30days, so let me know if oyu need their contact info.  They also had a beautiful Saleen Parnelli Jones special, but it was a little more dear ;)

jhue75:

Hey Sam,

what size a6's were you running? How much did it lower the car? Was ground clearance and jacking an issue considering the diameter of the a6's, FRPP suspension and cali special front bumper?  

Also, what about the Hurst? Is it a little slice of heaven? Exhaust, did you like the way it sounded? I was looking at one at the dealer yesterday, said he would come down to only 3000 over msrp, from 49!!!  These guys are arrogant  about it too.

Jason,

I'm completely willing to fill you in on everything (just like I told you I would when you bought the shocks from me).  But not publicly.    One thing to give info to customers, but I'm not quite ready to do it for complete strangers.... 

 We have both 275 and 285 A6's for the car.  We ran the 285's last event.  The exhaust is too quiet, I only really hear intake noise.  If you look around you can find them for sticker.  Mike got his for sticker (the one I'm driving).  And 49, that's not MSRP, that's with their markup added.... and right down the street from Mike's house two dealers both are adding $10k to the sticker.  Remember the same thing happens with every new cool car.  The Solstice, the Z06, the GT500 was like that.  Things will settle down.

 I really can't see how converting you CS to Shelby specs wouldn't be ok, at least I think it should be, but I guess we'll find out soon.  There is no tangible weight difference.  The side scoops, and both bumper covers are the very same.  You have a different fake hood scoop.  They slap the billet grille over the stock GT grille after removing the pony emblem and fogs (they don't even take the stock grille out.....  

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Sam Strano
Owner--Strano Performance Parts
800-729-1831

Interesting thread to dig up....

 To tell you the truth I guess I started autoXing again at the right time. Last year I ran my '00 SS with Victo 275's, Koni's, Springs, 35mm front bar and had to do it in ESP. Hearing some rumors of FS accpetance really peaked my interest and made me say "thank god I don't have to BLOW $2K at least on 315's and wheels for the car now!". I ran with the stock wheels all of last year with only a few things on the car not stock legal, basically the car was a waste to race.  If I was in FS for the whole year I figured 80%+ would have been PAX wins or very good placements, so the move this year was GREAT for me. Now with 295 710's, 1LE springs (legal ones, documentation in the glove box), and some tweaking with the double adjustables the car is much better than the ESP version of itself and the results back up what I was thinking last year even with the jump in the FS PAX.

 I remember a old Car and Driver editor Don Schroeder when he was asked if he had $XX,XXXX to spend on cars, bikes etc... what he would get and why. He put a LS1 Camaro SS on the list because, "If you are going to get a car, get the best version you can get of that car. The SS is the best bang for the buck today". I think that quote is relvant today. FS is pony cars, always has and always will be and in their day they were considered the best bang for the buck. When the SS came out it moved around from BS to AS and was not really a contender, all of this mostly due to the options you could get at the time (double adjustable shocks etc...) It should have been in FS from the START!!!

Now the movement of the car to FS, has been good for me and I can see how it can be bad for some. 93-97 F-body owners should be the most pissed. They have a car that can't run the new big wheels AND it is heavier with smaller brakes. FWIW those last two things pretty much ruled out the LT1 cars in FS for me, so the writing has been on the wall for 10 years! If you have a '98-'02 car then you can buy a hood, wing and some 17 x 9 wheels and be back in the mix. That's a LOT cheaper than buying a new Shelby even a year later. The documentation can be done, if you care to do so. That should be a non-issue and if we are really down at this point to nit picking anything past, springs and rear bars on these cars then it's BS (not B Stock) in my book.

 As for the new Mustang vs. the SS/WS6..... both cars are in the 3400lbs range. Both can run 295 tires, one has more TQ and HP, one has better springs. I think that is about as equal as you are going to get! I'm a die hard GM guy: 1964 GTO, 2000 Camaro SS, 2004 Silverado and my dog is named CHEVY! That Shelby that sits in the dealer I drive by everyday just doesn't do it for me.

 Go look at the entry list for Devens.... I honestly don't think the F-body is totally dead in FS, look at WHO is driving the cars there. All of the Mustang drivers can show up and run for PAX titles at any event they go too and most do. I'm going to be the one guy to say THANK GOD for the move to FS. SCCA you just saved me either buying a new car or $10K to make my almost stock legal (is now) car prepped enough to race in the Street Prepared class!

 Bret

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Bret
Camaro SS FS

Bret. I agree with many of the points you made. I did some checking on used 00-02 SS's and WS6's and they still hold their value. Some are still in the mid 20's! Finding unmolested cars are difficult though.

 I converted my car from a California Special. It did not cost me that much.

BUT, I have driven a few SS and WS6's that are still stock, and I have to say out of the box, I think with race tires on them they can beat the Shelby. It BLOWS MY MIND no one has showed up in one of these things yet for a National of any sort. We really need Sammy's take on this though, for sure.

IM trying to convince a local guy here to campaign his with me next year.

 

Jason H

23 FS 

 

 

 

 

jhue75:

It BLOWS MY MIND no one has showed up in one of these things yet for a National of any sort. 

Casey Weiss drove one at the National Tour in Texas (albeit his is a Z28 converted to SS specs with the wheels, hood and decklid, but same-same). 

I was considering converting my '01 Z28 but found a car I didn't have to throw any money at to make faster.

Pat

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'92 Sentra SE-R, daily driver and track car
'82 Camaro Z28, ESP, 65% prepared, 50% ownership

Upset about Stock class proposals? Get PISST!