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Did a little searching for the history of the Lincoln Airport.   Very interesting!      

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Air_Force_Base

The airport diagram below is drawn to scale - compare the size of the ramp to the 12,901 foot north/south runway.    As Bob stated, the ramp to the west is around 6500 feet north to south.  

Also, the diagram shows the elevation of the ramp as 1175.   I looked at the elevation on Google Earth several times, and it would appear that the ramp drains north (1180) to south (1165).    Even though the elevations using google earth would not be perfect, looks to be some good elevation change for drainage.   

Joe     

 

Hi Dave W. obviously anything I say your going to *** all over it becouse you have some sort of problem with me, my courses and any comments I make.

My question to you is did you like the east course at nationals?. Did you think it was cone intensive? Lot's of others have commented on it. How would you like to run on two of those courses with no turns just straight down and back?  In looking at the site, which I assume you haven't, I went to the only entrance area that was open and not  obvious that it was a secured area and took a look. I didn't spend alot of time but atleast I was there. This IS still an active airport to some extent, probably not any more than Forbes field is. Still there seems to be only one way in or out of facility and to the surface mentioned. If you have to enter the facility and make a road say 30' wide to allow traffic in and out along the courses and you have to keep a 75 distance from the course to that road, you would end up with just short of 300' wide strip to design a course and that in my opinion would be rediculous for TWO national courses.

The current national site at HPT has never been split down the middle from east to west for nationals yet. The west course has allway's had the majority of the width due to the entrance being offset.       

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Ron Williams

Multi-time national champion---ship trophy winner

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 That's no moon!

If the scale is correct than Lincon please.

 

Lincoln for sure!!!!!!!!!!!  No more 36-42 sec courses!!!!!!!!

ron:

Hi Dave W. obviously anything I say your going to *** all over it becouse you have some sort of problem with me, my courses and any comments I make.

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Did I miss something?  I was reading both your comments and it seemed to me that you both were on the same side of the protest table.  What do you say we just channel all this energy into a texas hold-em game at the new nationals site (preferably in Lincoln).  I would expect to win, of course.  Beginners luck.  And NO, it can not be a full-contact poker game. 

I was going to put in a group-hug icon to really make you all sick, but thank God, there isn't one available!

mw

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Mark E. Walker
Omaha Nebraska
[2009 NRSCCA RE Elect]
[RxB Chair, SSSI, RxSS]
[1994 ESP Camaro Z-28]

I'm making quantum leaps in performance, but so is the rest of the class!

ron:

Hi Dave W. obviously anything I say your going to *** all over it becouse you have some sort of problem with me, my courses and any comments I make.

My question to you is did you like the east course at nationals?. Did you think it was cone intensive? Lot's of others have commented on it. How would you like to run on two of those courses with no turns just straight down and back?  In looking at the site, which I assume you haven't, I went to the only entrance area that was open and not  obvious that it was a secured area and took a look. I didn't spend alot of time but atleast I was there. This IS still an active airport to some extent, probably not any more than Forbes field is. Still there seems to be only one way in or out of facility and to the surface mentioned. If you have to enter the facility and make a road say 30' wide to allow traffic in and out along the courses and you have to keep a 75 distance from the course to that road, you would end up with just short of 300' wide strip to design a course and that in my opinion would be rediculous for TWO national courses.

The current national site at HPT has never been split down the middle from east to west for nationals yet. The west course has allway's had the majority of the width due to the entrance being offset.       

Ron, are you referring to Lincoln or Blytheville? Lincoln has five named streets that at least five named, and a couple of unnamed streets that intersect NW 34TH st., which is part of the ramp. Blytheville appears to have just as many access streets. A bunch of us are going to Lincoln on the 19th and plan on taking a good look at stuff. E/SP Camaro Mark would probably know best about access. With over four times the total paddock/grid/pad area of HPT, it would be hard NOT to be able to lay down two very good, longer courses than what we have had. Given what has been available at HPT, SCCA and all the volunteers have done a great job with the resources. Lincoln could be even better. Blytheville, that may be different, especially in the evenings (food, lodging, etc.). 

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Bob Buxbaum
Lee's Summit, Mo.

CHRISFP78:

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 That's no moon!

If the scale is correct than Lincon please.

 

 

2X if the scale is correct.

FM

I have to have a place to put my "LINCOLN LOGS"

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Trying to get faster

Fastmike:

CHRISFP78:

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 That's no moon!

If the scale is correct than Lincon please.

 

 

2X if the scale is correct.

FM

Those pics can't be to scale...can they?? based on the relative size of the buildings, I'd have to guess they aren't?

If it is real...no brainer...like Chris said, "Lincoln, please"

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In slow, out fast.
In fast, out backwards.

mwood:

Fastmike:

CHRISFP78:

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 That's no moon!

If the scale is correct than Lincon please.

2X if the scale is correct.

FM

Those pics can't be to scale...can they?? based on the relative size of the buildings, I'd have to guess they aren't?

If it is real...no brainer...like Chris said, "Lincoln, please"

Yes, they can, and appear to be close. Using the measurement function in Google Earth it comes out

Forbes          1040' wide left to right

HPT               982' wide l to r

B'ville             575' wide l to r

Lincoln       ~1300' wide l to r

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Bob Buxbaum
Lee's Summit, Mo.

snaponbob:

Yes, they can, and appear to be close. Using the measurement function in Google Earth it comes out

Forbes          1040' wide left to right

HPT               982' wide l to r

B'ville             575' wide l to r

Lincoln       ~1300' wide l to r

Actually, the bottom square of Lincoln is about 1800' across l-r.  And 1100' top to bottom.  The rest is only 1100' wide.

mw

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Mark E. Walker
Omaha Nebraska
[2009 NRSCCA RE Elect]
[RxB Chair, SSSI, RxSS]
[1994 ESP Camaro Z-28]

I'm making quantum leaps in performance, but so is the rest of the class!

CHRISFP78:

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 That's no moon!

If the scale is correct than Lincon please.

Holy Monkey.

Think of the possibilities.

1) We can actually run the Pro on Sat/Sun again and save everyone a day of vacation time.

2) We could run simultaneous Nationals and practice courses, and Pro and practice courses.

3) Monday could become a useful day (practice courses or even day 2 of the Pro) rather than another burned vacation day.

4) With a little logistics, and some extra equipment, why couldn't we run a 3 or 4-day nationals there? Four courses over four days. That's like autox nirvana.

5) 60-second pro courses.

6) Enough room to actually run a Solo Trials event.

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Randy Noll

ron:

Hi Dave W. obviously anything I say your going to *** all over it becouse you have some sort of problem with me, my courses and any comments I make.

My question to you is did you like the east course at nationals?. Did you think it was cone intensive? Lot's of others have commented on it. How would you like to run on two of those courses with no turns just straight down and back?  In looking at the site, which I assume you haven't, I went to the only entrance area that was open and not  obvious that it was a secured area and took a look. I didn't spend alot of time but atleast I was there. This IS still an active airport to some extent, probably not any more than Forbes field is. Still there seems to be only one way in or out of facility and to the surface mentioned. If you have to enter the facility and make a road say 30' wide to allow traffic in and out along the courses and you have to keep a 75 distance from the course to that road, you would end up with just short of 300' wide strip to design a course and that in my opinion would be rediculous for TWO national courses.

The current national site at HPT has never been split down the middle from east to west for nationals yet. The west course has allway's had the majority of the width due to the entrance being offset.       

Ron,

???

Note the smiley's on my post.  No personal issues here.  I have agreed with a lot of your stuff, especially the reminder how shitty Forbes was despite YOUR work to patch it.  And no problem with your courses either..  Thanks for doing them.

However, if you think that HPT is an acceptable sized site, and Blytheville is not, we will have to disagree, which is OK.  . 

Once again, my understanding is that *if* we went to Blytheville, we would grid/paddock in the middle and have courses on both sides and have access to the entire site.  I have not been there, but I don't think Howard has any reason to lie to the SEB when he reported to us how they would work things *if* we went there.

Let's hope none of this matters and we are at Lincoln, which is clearly superior to anything else we are discussing. :):)

DaveW

rnoll98:

2) We could run simultaneous Nationals and practice courses, and Pro and practice courses.

Shoot the moon....

If that whole damn thing is usable... with that size, you can actually have three different areas setup. Practice, ProSolo & Nats, all set up at the same time. How about no day off on Monday for resetting things and practice?

Practice starts Sat and continues through Thurs afternoon.
Nats Mon-Thurs
ProSolo Fri/Sat

Why have a day off if you can set up the different courses? Have Test N Tune running all the time. (Just can't practice on days you're running). Not only that, those that run Wed/Thurs can show up and still get practice time in. Or, those that run only the ProSolo can show up Thurs and still get practice. Charging per run... just need a few workers... and nats isn't short on workers. ;)

That site, if it is all useable, will surely be able to accomodate all that along with courses expected at nationals, at the same time.

 

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For sale: 2006 Nissan Titan LE Crew Cab. White. 40K miles. $19K. Wicked pissah to tow with.

OK...so here we are.  The survey is out, but I don't recall if it specifically asked "Which site do you want to go to" by name.

Is there a way we can simply write in and just say "Lincoln please", or whatever site you want?  Do we need to do this to re-inforce what we want to do?  (Here's a chance for those who did not get the survey to voice an opinion?)  Anybody written in?

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Patrick Washburn
STU Evo - SOLD!
<----- 2009 - Regain the coveted Tri Pod Trophy for the Hiedi's

In regards to the fences at Lincoln, if they are removable, great.  If not, the fenced in areas could serve as the parking areas. 

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 

Could we trouble you to ask Christine to grab Salina and add it to the pictures, too? I am curious how it would measure up.

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Matt Murray

I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today.

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Patrick Washburn
STU Evo - SOLD!
<----- 2009 - Regain the coveted Tri Pod Trophy for the Hiedi's

Bear with me....trying to figure ou thow to paste an image...I have a dimensioned scaled map of those four sites to post....

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Patrick Washburn
STU Evo - SOLD!
<----- 2009 - Regain the coveted Tri Pod Trophy for the Hiedi's

Fastmike:

CHRISFP78:

Aufaber:

Christine Berry did up a little google earth size comparo on our local forums, i threw some lables on it. Thought everyone might be interested. Paddock and racing areas are circled in red.

 

 That's no moon!

If the scale is correct than Lincon please.

 

 

2X if the scale is correct.

FM

 

Lincoln wins!  BOINGGGGGG!

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Jer
1993 MR2 #196 ES
2005 Lotus Elise (retired)
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