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TedDBere:

Why don't we create a win/win here with regard to the SS part of the proposal.

1) Leave SS and AS alone for the next two years.

2) Create two national "demonstration" classes (or whatever they're called) with trophies at Nationals for the next two years.

       a) XS for the Ubber Stock excluded cars.

       b) AS+ for the Tweeners.

Then run the classes and see which class gets the most participation, then decide which class to add for 2010 and beyond.  Everyone is happy as all cars have a place to play, real data is gathered for a good decision, and the current healthy classes aren't upset.

With the price of gas and the current drop in the stock market this proposal may convince some members to attend Nationals where otherwise they may have choosen to skip next year.

 

I don't think that these two new demsonstration classes will not help with Nationals turn out much. Nor do I think it should have any influence on how to pick cars for classed. I do think however that creating these classes would

1) be very healthy for stock class competition

2) create places for existing cars to go when newer faster cars push the current crop of fast cars out of favor.

 It would also give the competitors that make up this sport, more fun to drive cars to choose from that are currently burried by more competitve cars.

 Chris

 

Maybe they are trying to make a place to play for cars like the GT-R.  Out of my price range for this point in my life, but I could see a good number of people running a car like that.  If it can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds on run flats, then I want to ride along for a few ProSolo practice starts on race rubber.

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Phil K.
2002 Camaro SS, #68 ESP

pknowles:

Maybe they are trying to make a place to play for cars like the GT-R.  Out of my price range for this point in my life, but I could see a good number of people running a car like that.  If it can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds on run flats, then I want to ride along for a few ProSolo practice starts on race rubber.

 

I doubt it'll be any faster 0-60 on R-comps. 

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John Vitamvas
'04 Z06
'00 Boxster S (For Sale)

The August Fastrack is out and no 2010 class changes are discussed.

All previous proposals will stand on their own.

If you were going to write a letter now is the time to do it since a decision will be made on the proposals in September.

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Ted

2004 Z16/Z06 SS

2010 rule changes don't have to be finalized (and likely won't) until the final BoD meeting in late 2009

I can pretty much guarantee that nothing this big for 2010 will happen this year

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"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." --Anonymous

another data point, I remember people saying the same thing about the C5 Z06 in Super Stock, then we had 50+ SS grids at Nationals the next several years

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"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you." --Anonymous

2009 Porsche Carrera  S  DFI 385hp, Sport Suspension, LSD, 7 Speed PDK transmission, 0-60 4.1 sec with Launch Control.  Info gleaned from Panorama and Excellence Magazines.

 

Scott you know you want one.

 

Peter 

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T3 S2000
Porsche 996GT2 with a few mods. 2009 OLOA project

TeamRX8:

another data point, I remember people saying the same thing about the C5 Z06 in Super Stock, then we had 50+ SS grids at Nationals the next several years

This is true, but GM made 40,000 C5 Z06s that don't break when you hit a cone.  Lotus makes less than 200 Elise SC's and Exige S's and they can cost up to $7000 to replace the clam after introducing it to a cone.  Take a look at the front of the top Elise at last year's Nationals!  Tape is a structural element to these cars.  To make a car like that the "car to have" in the class would be a shame, IMHO.

Yes Peter, I drool.  But once again how many are made for the US?  And at $120k and $5000 for every repair it's prohibitive.  Just about every GT3 that I've seen autox nationally has needed some sort of repair exceeding 5K.  My tires bother me at $1300/set...add in 5k everytime something breaks and I now realize why we don't see more of them.  And except for a few top Elises we're not seeing an increase in them either. 

Look at Nationals pre registration.  16 C5 Z06s, 7 Elises and no GT3s yet. (I know it's still early)...despite the fact that the GT3 and Elise seem to be the cars to have on HPT's surface.  The owners of the C5 Z06s want to play and attendence would only increase if the class were stable and the price of these cars continue downward.  They can be found now for $22k.   But throwing supercharged, low-volume, Loti and $$$ Porsches into the mix is not promoting increased participation.  IMHO.  Move Nationals to concrete and SS would probably be flooded with more C5 Zs and C6s because they're not only fairly inexpensive to run but fun too.

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Ted

2004 Z16/Z06 SS

Ted, I'm convinced!

I just wrote to the SEB requesting that all C5's be moved to E-Stock with the other cheap and slow sportscars.

 ;) 

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Robert Puertas
www.EvoSchool.com

Robert Puertas:

Ted, I'm convinced!

I just wrote to the SEB requesting that all C5's be moved to E-Stock with the other cheap and slow sportscars.

;)

Send me a copy, I'll send one to Doug too.  

TedDBere:

TeamRX8:

another data point, I remember people saying the same thing about the C5 Z06 in Super Stock, then we had 50+ SS grids at Nationals the next several years

This is true, but GM made 40,000 C5 Z06s that don't break when you hit a cone.  Lotus makes less than 200 Elise SC's and Exige S's and they can cost up to $7000 to replace the clam after introducing it to a cone.  Take a look at the front of the top Elise at last year's Nationals!  Tape is a structural element to these cars.  To make a car like that the "car to have" in the class would be a shame, IMHO.

Yes Peter, I drool.  But once again how many are made for the US?  And at $120k and $5000 for every repair it's prohibitive.  Just about every GT3 that I've seen autox nationally has needed some sort of repair exceeding 5K.  My tires bother me at $1300/set...add in 5k everytime something breaks and I now realize why we don't see more of them.  And except for a few top Elises we're not seeing an increase in them either. 

Look at Nationals pre registration.  16 C5 Z06s, 7 Elises and no GT3s yet. (I know it's still early)...despite the fact that the GT3 and Elise seem to be the cars to have on HPT's surface.  The owners of the C5 Z06s want to play and attendence would only increase if the class were stable and the price of these cars continue downward.  They can be found now for $22k.   But throwing supercharged, low-volume, Loti and $$$ Porsches into the mix is not promoting increased participation.  IMHO.  Move Nationals to concrete and SS would probably be flooded with more C5 Zs and C6s because they're not only fairly inexpensive to run but fun too.

 

Scott,

 

Dyslexia LOL I wrote Carerra S not GT3.  Mainstream car not hard $$$$ to get GT3.

 

Peter 

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T3 S2000
Porsche 996GT2 with a few mods. 2009 OLOA project

Robert Puertas:

Ted, I'm convinced!

I just wrote to the SEB requesting that all C5's be moved to E-Stock with the other cheap and slow sportscars.

 ;) 

Ok by me, but my friend Jerry may not be too happy....

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Ted

2004 Z16/Z06 SS

We don't want no junky fiberglass Chevys crapping up the stellar looks of the MR2s and Miatas in grid! 

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Jer
1993 MR2 #196 ES
2005 Lotus Elise (retired)
1999 Dodge 4X4 tow vehicle
1993 Miata (just tired)
1987 Corolla Lemons car
1984 Citation Lemons car