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New HS looks good
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The writings on the wall. Mazda 3's will be taking over the top HS spots. Mark McNight's wife's car is definitely faster and there will be MINI's languishing in the dust. A well driven M/3 with 225's, bigger sway bar and Koni's will be the hot ticket. The 06' versions are also the last year for the lighter chassis. The VVT motor should also help an already impressive power delivery. Get your's now... There is also a new MINI on the horizon with VVT and aluminum motor (read lighter) that may yet to be proven to be competitive. The older MINI's will also be close but the Mazda 3's will be the better choice. I like the way the Mazda has power in places the MINI does not. It also does not give up much in the transitions. It also sweeps a lot better than the MINI can. If Mazda comes out with a TSB for camber then it'll just be a bunch faster. MINI's might be able to keep it close depending on the course but if there's enough room to let the Mazda stretch it's legs, then it's a done deal. Another unproven HS contender is the now extinct Corolla XRS. Should be really interesting next season... Jim
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 STS3gCivicSi: Very cool, I like to see a little variety. Curt, will this be a West Coast car, or something another customer of Chris' is putting together?
It will be my daily driver. Should have it as soon as this weekend. Hopefully, Chris will come out for the SD Tour in the winter to help with set up. The biggest obsticles with the car will be it's lack of camber and big front end, but it should give the Minis a run for the money. Now about those pesky Mazdas...
Curt Luther L&W Enterprises / www.redshiftmotorsports.com 89 Civic Si STS/STX 07 Civic LX - HS/SK2
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I really enjoyed the HS drama, but unfortuneately couldn't watch it as I was prepping for STS in heat 2. No disrespect to the Mini drivers intended, but from what I can tell Mark in the Mazda 3 and Scott in the 01 Civic drove the wheels off their cars. Both cars looked to be competitive but IMHO neither had any advantage over the Minis. Unless my numbers are wrong, the Mini should have a very slight acceleration advantage over the other two when weight, peak torque, gears, and tire diameter are considered. But the shape of the torque curve might change the picture. None of them have a camber advantage, and Mark and Scott were on smaller 205/50-15 tires with heavier cars, so it seems like the advantage goes to the Mini. Maybe the picture changes if someone squeezes on some 225s. Kudos to Mark and Scott for bringing their A game in unique cars! Chris STS backmarker
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I'll have to drive an 06 Mazda 3i to give my opinion, but I would think that the 05-06 Mini is still the car to have. I have driven the XRS and its stink quick for an HS car (probably a 7.5 - 7.7 sec 0-60 car). But it has a longer wheelbase and 16x6 wheels (mini has 6.5s). The Mazda has 15x6 stock wheels and 16x6.5 optional wheels. It also has 148hp and a nice meaty amount of tourqe in the midrange. The Mini has none and neither does the XRS. If the XRS benefits from an open exhaust and can gain some more top end ponies it may be able to be "type-r'd or S2k'd" around a course with some gear rowing. I think the Mini's weight and wheelbase and narrowness (is that a word?) will still give it the nod to win. And if the new mini has a more streetable drive by wire I wonder if you'll have to set them up too twitchy to be drivable in sub 70 degree weather. Anyone notice that the Minis were twitchy? :) Lets see how they do next year when it warms up. Someone buy my car so I can go get an XRS to try :) Or a 3i Or an 05-06 Mini :) David Hedderick
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David Hedderick Pearland (Houston), TX 01 CRG YZ125 (FOR SALE! $2500) 08 Mazda 3s 02 Mazda Protege (automatic tow vehicle) 92 Miata SE - Fun half-arsed STS2 Car
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What are the advantages to a new model Civic?
Anyone think a 91-94 Protege can contend? David curtluther: There will also be a RedShift prepped 2007 Civic LX. Driver TBD.
David Hedderick Pearland (Houston), TX 01 CRG YZ125 (FOR SALE! $2500) 08 Mazda 3s 02 Mazda Protege (automatic tow vehicle) 92 Miata SE - Fun half-arsed STS2 Car
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davebs14: What are the advantages to a new model Civic?
If I tell you, then everyone will buy one In my case, it's the new car warranty and the fact that there's a Honda dealer on every corner. I was all set to buy a Mini but I kept hearing horror stories about always having to fix them. The closest Mini dealer to me is 60 miles away, going the wrong direction from work. This car will be my commuter car first, autocross car second. That being said, it will be a first class effort. The results of the 3 and Civic EX showed the *** in the Mini armor. Someone just needs to shove a sword through it.
Curt Luther L&W Enterprises / www.redshiftmotorsports.com 89 Civic Si STS/STX 07 Civic LX - HS/SK2
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davebs14: What are the advantages to a new model Civic?
Camber (more than a degree). Tire (245's). Power (140hp). 3 things the MINI wants more of! Camber and tire seem to be ruling lately. It will still be course-by-course though. As someone that competed against MCS in GS with a portly Civic Si....the Si had no chance on the west course at Nationals regardless of driver, tire, shock, miracle. East course was great (although our times did'nt show it).
~Sam Karp~ 1994 Mazda Miata R, ES SCCA-Milwaukee
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Gefiltefish: davebs14: What are the advantages to a new model Civic?
Camber (more than a degree). Tire (245's). Power (140hp). 3 things the MINI wants more of! Camber and tire seem to be ruling lately. It will still be course-by-course though. As someone that competed against MCS in GS with a portly Civic Si....the Si had no chance on the west course at Nationals regardless of driver, tire, shock, miracle. East course was great (although our times did'nt show it).
Sam, shhhh! You're giving everything away.
Curt Luther L&W Enterprises / www.redshiftmotorsports.com 89 Civic Si STS/STX 07 Civic LX - HS/SK2
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Oh come on Curt.....I'm sure there is more Heck, I was ready to trade my Si in for an LX after Nationals! Where the heck is Crea? I thought he would be all over this thread by now!
~Sam Karp~ 1994 Mazda Miata R, ES SCCA-Milwaukee
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Anyone think a 318i would do well in '07?
Matt Murray I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today.
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mattm: Anyone think a 318i would do well in '07?
Never! When has one ever been competitve!?! 
~Sam Karp~ 1994 Mazda Miata R, ES SCCA-Milwaukee
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P40vic: I really enjoyed the HS drama, but unfortuneately couldn't watch it as I was prepping for STS in heat 2. No disrespect to the Mini drivers intended, but from what I can tell Mark in the Mazda 3 and Scott in the 01 Civic drove the wheels off their cars. Both cars looked to be competitive but IMHO neither had any advantage over the Minis. Unless my numbers are wrong, the Mini should have a very slight acceleration advantage over the other two when weight, peak torque, gears, and tire diameter are considered. But the shape of the torque curve might change the picture. None of them have a camber advantage, and Mark and Scott were on smaller 205/50-15 tires with heavier cars, so it seems like the advantage goes to the Mini. Maybe the picture changes if someone squeezes on some 225s. Kudos to Mark and Scott for bringing their A game in unique cars! Chris STS backmarker
Wow! I don't know what to say. Chris, thank you for the kind words. I will be back next year in the same car to prove that it can win! The following things I can say about my first ever National's: (these are not excuses, just things I realize I di wrong and will have corrected by next year) - I was running National's with 18.8lbs factory wheels. (Now I have the 8.8lbs SSR's)
- I was EXTREMELY nervous and very timid with my driving on DAY 1.
- My car has some issues that will make it better (92k miles for one, the list goes on!)
- Come to find out, the alignment in the car when I got home was so far away from where it should've been it was ridiculous.
- LACK OF A CO-DRIVER...no heat, first car off in the morning, etc.....
- Cone 409 (as seen in the picture) cost me 5th place AND being .7XX behind Karter for the two days.
As for a Mazda 3, I know all about them. They are great machines. I don't think that it is the right car for me. I will still stick with the Honda, and come for some Mini stew next year! Oh, and BTW, I can get 225/50R15 or 225/45R15 on the Civic....just had the wrong wheels for them.
D. Scott Bourne 192HS DATS Racing LLC
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curtluther: The results of the 3 and Civic EX showed
the *** in the Mini armor. Someone just needs to shove a sword
through it.
Ha! We've got an overzealous automatic
censor here. Too bad the computer can't tell you're talking about a
defect, not insulting a Samurai.
-Philip Maynard No weenies!
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autoxgod: The writings on the wall. Mazda 3's will be taking over the top HS spots. Mark McNight's wife's car is definitely faster and there will be MINI's languishing in the dust. A well driven M/3 with 225's, bigger sway bar and Koni's will be the hot ticket. The 06' versions are also the last year for the lighter chassis. The VVT motor should also help an already impressive power delivery. Get your's now... There is also a new MINI on the horizon with VVT and aluminum motor (read lighter) that may yet to be proven to be competitive. The older MINI's will also be close but the Mazda 3's will be the better choice. I like the way the Mazda has power in places the MINI does not. It also does not give up much in the transitions. It also sweeps a lot better than the MINI can. If Mazda comes out with a TSB for camber then it'll just be a bunch faster. MINI's might be able to keep it close depending on the course but if there's enough room to let the Mazda stretch it's legs, then it's a done deal. Another unproven HS contender is the now extinct Corolla XRS. Should be really interesting next season... Jim
I should be doing some of the Pro/National tour events next year with my 3. The ones that are within a resonable driving distance at least. The car did pretty well this year for me considering I was still on the 22lb stock rims and R (not A) compound Hoosiers and unmodified Koni Yellows. I'll be running lighter 17's next year, a sway bar, brakes and better tires. I'm confident that my 3 will, at the very least, equal the performance of National level Mini's in HS, and I have high hopes for next year. Oh, also... Unfortunatly, after talking to the guys at Mazdaspeed, there doesnt seem to be any hope of a camber adjustment TSB for the 3...  I guess Mazda doesn't care about auto-x that much... well at least they offer contingancy!
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if the new MINI is indeed lighter with a tad more power, it might be an interesting choice...for HS or STS. davebs14: I'll have to drive an 06 Mazda 3i to give my opinion
david- why the i? i remember looking at the specs between the i and the s sedan, and the s was barely heavier, but with what looked to be quite a bit more grunt. i don't know how the wheel options shake out now; i think the s used to have 16s standard, but i'm pretty sure now it's 17s, in the typical weird mazda width (6.5, IIRC). the 3 might benefit from a bigger front sway (e.g., off the new MS3) if the wheel spin isn't too bad.
has anyone seen anyone running an '00-'01 Si? i'm still disappointed the MP3 was left to rot in GS.
Mike - #44 STS2 '91 Miata - racer '07 CX-7 - dog taxi www.phillyscca.comwww.GreyhoundAngelsAdoption.com
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