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Charles
Solo FM120 Lynx Solo Vee
Rallycross RSF 120 VW Jetta

Maybe it's a good time to get out of CSP where I wasn't competitive anyway..

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Yay for Sam Strano destroying everyone this year so my PAX (FS) goes from 0.809 to 0.821...

so...is it the lower the PAX number the better?

 

 

 

Joseph. 

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"use more gas, less brake"

-Juan Manuel Fangio

Yes, because it's a percentage you can run a slower time with a lower PAX and still be "fast".

 For example, on a 60 second run:

with a PAX of 0.809 - 48.54 pax time

with a PAX of 0.821 - 49.26 pax time

Which is why stock cars have lower paxes than street prepared and why AMOD has a PAX of 1

*and why Brian says Drew runs a cheater PAX.* 

 

No more cheater pax for mr. dboyles. hahahahhaha! bozunkle took a hit in GS too! I win! 

FS tanked. Sorry Bell.

 

 

Yeah, looks like FS took the worst hit.  GS and DS both changed a lot. The only things sort of constant were the prepared classes.  FSAE got slower (wtf?)

So FS now has a higher pax than DS or ES?  How does that make sense?  Why didn't they just move the new Mustangs or whatever cars they were worried about into a higher class?

I wish they would get rid of the Shelby GT in FS, but I think the ruling was that it was too slow for SS.  Also, FS cars are traditionally RWD "muscle cars", so it just fit there...

MatthewBell:

The only things sort of constant were the prepared classes.  FSAE got slower (wtf?)

The Prep classes stayed nearly the same because the same cars/names won. JT for example.

FSAE? - we're just waiting until MSU kicks ----- get the new car running ----- lets see what ya'll can do. 

sti752:

No more cheater pax for mr. dboyles. hahahahhaha! bozunkle took a hit in GS too! I win! 

FS tanked. Sorry Bell.

 

 

*ahem* 

 

 

Joseph. 

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nighthawksi04:

So FS now has a higher pax than DS or ES?  How does that make sense?  Why didn't they just move the new Mustangs or whatever cars they were worried about into a higher class?

A Shelby doesn't really "fit" in any other class. Put it in ES or DS and you'd completely change the competitive balance of those classes. It would almost certainly not be competitive in BS or AS (and wouldn't really fit there either). I think it was just time for FS to get faster. The same thing is due to happen to other classes too. In a stock class, a top car has probably an average of ~3-4 years of dominance before something else comes along to knock it off. It usually works pretty well because of how the product life cycle of cars goes.

As for the STU PAX, I'm hoping that I won't care! wink-wink nudge-nudge 

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Whatever would you be referring to?

dboyles:

nighthawksi04:

So FS now has a higher pax than DS or ES?  How does that make sense?  Why didn't they just move the new Mustangs or whatever cars they were worried about into a higher class?

A Shelby doesn't really "fit" in any other class. Put it in ES or DS and you'd completely change the competitive balance of those classes. It would almost certainly not be competitive in BS or AS (and wouldn't really fit there either). I think it was just time for FS to get faster. The same thing is due to happen to other classes too. In a stock class, a top car has probably an average of ~3-4 years of dominance before something else comes along to knock it off. It usually works pretty well because of how the product life cycle of cars goes.

As for the STU PAX, I'm hoping that I won't care! wink-wink nudge-nudge 

What ever he's talking about, I'll buy the tires and I have a trailer!   Wink-nudge.

BillyBob:

dboyles:

nighthawksi04:

So FS now has a higher pax than DS or ES?  How does that make sense?  Why didn't they just move the new Mustangs or whatever cars they were worried about into a higher class?

A Shelby doesn't really "fit" in any other class. Put it in ES or DS and you'd completely change the competitive balance of those classes. It would almost certainly not be competitive in BS or AS (and wouldn't really fit there either). I think it was just time for FS to get faster. The same thing is due to happen to other classes too. In a stock class, a top car has probably an average of ~3-4 years of dominance before something else comes along to knock it off. It usually works pretty well because of how the product life cycle of cars goes.

As for the STU PAX, I'm hoping that I won't care! wink-wink nudge-nudge 

What ever he's talking about, I'll buy the tires and I have a trailer!   Wink-nudge.

Oh, and I'll buy the beer!

I don't know. Me and Drew have something special. wink-nudge.

tempting though. I have access to a tow vehicle now. I could use a tire daddy.

oh, and I don't do beer b4 an autox anymore. crazy stuff starts happening. like drew beating me.

sti752:

I don't know. Me and Drew have something special. wink-nudge.

tempting though. I have access to a tow vehicle now. I could use a tire daddy.

Does Red know about this "something special"?

Drew... you know better than to beat a girl!

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Actually, The worst class to get hit is GS. Here is a table I put together. It tells you how much harder (faster) you have to drive or how much faster you have to drive or make your car with your hard earned cash (or your parents, or your girlfriends etc cash) than in 2007 in percentage to stay at the same spot assuming everyone paxes out the same.

 

	Class	2007 PAX	2008 PAX	Change	%Change
1	GS	0.803	0.815	0.012	1.494%
2	STS2	0.806	0.818	0.012	1.489%
3	STX	0.808	0.82	0.012	1.485%
4	FS	0.809	0.821	0.012	1.483%
5	STS	0.805	0.816	0.011	1.366%
6	CSP	0.845	0.856	0.011	1.302%
7	FSP	0.823	0.833	0.01	1.215%
8	STU	0.821	0.83	0.009	1.096%
9	CS	0.822	0.831	0.009	1.095%
10	DS	0.804	0.812	0.008	0.995%
11	XP	0.874	0.882	0.008	0.915%
12	EM	0.879	0.887	0.008	0.910%
13	ESP	0.834	0.841	0.007	0.839%
14	DSP	0.836	0.843	0.007	0.837%
15	ES	0.812	0.817	0.005	0.616%
16	BSP	0.853	0.858	0.005	0.586%
17	SM2	0.862	0.867	0.005	0.580%
18	FM	0.89	0.895	0.005	0.562%
19	BS	0.828	0.832	0.004	0.483%
20	AS	0.838	0.842	0.004	0.477%
21	SS	0.848	0.852	0.004	0.472%
22	FJA	0.851	0.855	0.004	0.470%
23	SM	0.856	0.86	0.004	0.467%
24	ASP	0.858	0.862	0.004	0.466%
25	FP	0.868	0.872	0.004	0.461%
26	HS	0.789	0.792	0.003	0.380%
27	DP	0.86	0.863	0.003	0.349%
28	F125	0.946	0.948	0.002	0.211%
29	DM	0.889	0.89	0.001	0.112%
30	AM	1	1	0	0.000%
31	BP	0.866	0.866	0	0.000%
32	CP	0.864	0.864	0	0.000%
33	GP	0.847	0.847	0	0.000%
34	EP	0.863	0.861	-0.002	-0.232%
35	FSAE	0.949	0.946	-0.003	-0.316%
36	CM	0.909	0.904	-0.005	-0.550%
37	FJB	0.833	0.828	-0.005	-0.600%
38	BM	0.944	0.937	-0.007	-0.742%

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