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I'm curious to hear some general feedback.

This will be my first Pro Finale and I'm in the 1 eventer group. I understand how the group will work regarding pax, but I'm curious what others think about it. How the pro pax will affect outcome. If you think its a waist of time for some classes, etc.

 

I have no real opinion about it. I understand the Pro ST pax is not good, so if nothing else...this might turn out to be a "warm-up" or "practice" for Nationals for me.

Its all about having fun anyway...right?

 

The entry list has become quite interesting to say the least:

 

9	Rowse, Doug Phoenix, AZ	2003 BMW 330i Slv	Kumho	Arizona Region SP
11	Elder, Ralph Folsom, CA	1998 Acura Integra Type R Wht Reindl's racers, r5	Hoosier	San Francisco Region NP
13	Craner, Karen Idaho Falls, ID	2004 GPracing CR125 Wht	Other	Yellowstone Region RM
29	Punch, Derek San Diego, CA	1997 BMW 328 Slv Fahey Motorsports	Yokohama	San Diego Region SP
52	O'Gorman, Sean North Royalton, OH	1993 Toyota MR2 Wht WinKing Lizard/Nora/Davelaminet	Hoosier	Ohio Valley Region GL
59	Lundgren, Jeff Pleasant View, UT	2006 Lotus Elise Red	Hoosier	Colorado Region RM
76	Dixon, G J Scarsdale, NY	2008 Chevrolet Corvette Ylw Pfadt Race Engineering	Hoosier	New York Region NE
77	Mankiewicz, Craig Milwaukee, WI	1989 Honda Civic Si Blk DataToys.com/Bridgestone	Bridgestone	Milwaukee Region CN
79	Wilson, Kim Bowling Green, KY	2000 Toyota MR2 Spyder Ylw Team Blender Blaster	Hoosier	Chicago Region CN
89	Merideth, Marcus Westland, MI	1996 Ford Mustang Blk Margrave Motorsports	Hoosier	Detroit Region GL
91	Raglin, Christopher Findlay, OH	1986 Honda Civic Wht Cooper/Avon Tires	Avon	Ohio Valley Region GL
93	Raymond, Peter Erie, CO	1963 Lotus Seven Ylw Performance Machine	Goodyear	Continental Divide Region RM
94	Ramey, Chris Kansas City, MO	2008 Chevy Z06 Blk	Hoosier	Kansas City Region MW
96	Collett, Jason Smyrna, TN	2003 Chevrolet Corvette  Ylw	Hoosier	Tennessee Region SE
97	Silva, Joe Manhattan, KS	2007 Mini Cooper S Wht Oasis Tan/Quicksilver/MoKan Motorsp	Hoosier	Salina Region MW
98	Yom, James Torrance, CA	2002 Honda S2000 Wht Lambda Phi Epsilon/Thanks Ron!	Hoosier	South Texas Border Region SW
99	Sias, Victor Santa Clara, CA	1992 BMW 325 Red siastuning, Aeromotions.com	Kumho	San Francisco Region NP
177	Frank, Jason Racine, WI	1989 Honda Civic Si Blk Bridgestone/DataToys.com	Bridgestone	Milwaukee Region CN
199	Strickland, Scott Jacksonville, FL	1988 Honda CRX Si Blk Mikes Mobile Hair Removal Service	Bridgestone	Buccaneer Region SE

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I live my life one cone at a time........

General Feedback:

1) You can win money.

2) Pro Index may be a little off...

3) It's great practice for Nationals on the same surface.

3) GJ in a C6 Z51 Coupe is going to beat Chris in the C6 Z06, and it's not because of the driver....

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Ted

2004 Z16/Z06 SS

We're going just to get more practice on the surface and to sort our car out... I don't even know what the ProSolo PAX is, so I wouldn't know who it favors.  You also have to remember that we are going to run 1st heat...

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Jason Frank
Bridgestone / datatoys.com / Redshift Motorsports STS Civic Si

TeamUndercoatRacing.com

TedDBere:

3) GJ in a C6 Z51 Coupe is going to beat Chris in the C6 Z06, and it's not because of the driver....

Is he really beating him if he doesn't show up because he got rid of the C6Z06? I'm not saying he has yet, but he was threatening it pretty darn good last weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if it is already gone.

I offered to trade him straight up.

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I am Chris Hammond.
Going2Colorado.com

Chris Hammond:

to trade him straight up.

I offered Chris the same thing in Arkansas.....

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Chapter 11 Racing
Win or Go Broke Tryin'
www.chapter11racing.com

Mugenlude:

We're going just to get more practice on the surface and to sort our car out... I don't even know what the ProSolo PAX is, so I wouldn't know who it favors.  You also have to remember that we are going to run 1st heat...

STS Pro PAX is not bad.  Not as soft as DS, FS, DSP, BSP or DP.  But not bad.  You'll do fine.

--Andy

 

STS2 Pro Pax SUCKS! Hear me, Bob, Rick and whoever else??? Don't make me open up a can....

 

-MK

 

P.S. Any I'm saying that since my Pro Finale outcome will be based on that poor choice of pro pax. I'm in the Bump class...

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Mike King
88 CRX Si - STS2 #99
Jacksonville, FL
2007, 2008 STS2 Solo National Champion
Team Bridgestone - King Motorsports - A-Spec Racing - Renspeed

Rick has nothing to do with the Pro Pax. 

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2002 Mercedes C230k, retired, 2005 Nationals STU DFL

1969 Beach Solo Vee and 1985 Lynx B Solo Vee

Rick's into everything one way or another...

 

-MK

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Mike King
88 CRX Si - STS2 #99
Jacksonville, FL
2007, 2008 STS2 Solo National Champion
Team Bridgestone - King Motorsports - A-Spec Racing - Renspeed

Chris Hammond:

I offered to trade him straight up.

You know, I have killed before...

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John Vitamvas
'04 Z06
'00 Boxster S (For Sale)

So after being told that you absolutely HAD to attend 2 pro's to run the Finale it looks like AGAIN that's not the case.

Wanna know how to get more people to run? Get on the same page from Jan 1 :(  If I had known this I would have gone to Arkansas.

 

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David Hedderick
Pearland (Houston), TX
01 CRG YZ125 (FOR SALE! $2500)
08 Mazda 3s
02 Mazda Protege (automatic tow vehicle)
92 Miata SE - Fun half-arsed STS2 Car

What is the drawback of putting the one eventers into the regular class? I'm sure it would help some of the regular classes avoid being bumped. Seems like it would be easier to win some money in the one eventer class (especially with an easy pax) then in the regular classes. Has money ever been on the line at a national level event directly based on pax like this before?

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Nate Whipple
NER
188/88 DSP ITR

I think they should leave the 1 eventers in their respective classes and just seperate out anyone qualified for the "season" championship after the event is done.

 

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I live my life one cone at a time........

solo-x:

What is the drawback of putting the one eventers into the regular class?

 

Points.  If you have X number of points going into the Finale, and at the Finale a 1-eventer that is not eligible for the Series Championship finishes ahead of you, "taking" that points-position away....if that is the difference between 1-2-3 for the overall points Championship, then that's a pretty big deal.  Happened last year.

DP is not soft...the rest of prepared is too hard

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Tracy Ramsey
Team Blenderblaster
2000 MR2 DP Spyder

SDR 761:

solo-x:

What is the drawback of putting the one eventers into the regular class?

 

Points.  If you have X number of points going into the Finale, and at the Finale a 1-eventer that is not eligible for the Series Championship finishes ahead of you, "taking" that points-position away....if that is the difference between 1-2-3 for the overall points Championship, then that's a pretty big deal.  Happened last year.

 

 

It would be VERY simple to exclude the 1eventers when calculating "Season Championship" points for those that qualified.

 

As a 1 eventer, I could win the Finale, but not the season championship because I wouldnt get any Finale points. Its not hard....they do it for the divisional series all the time.......

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I live my life one cone at a time........

Whiplash_Motorsports:

As a 1 eventer, I could win the Finale, but not the season championship because I wouldnt get any Finale points. Its not hard....they do it for the divisional series all the time.......

The problem I have with that is that most of the contingency awards for the finale are doubled, or more, over a regular Pro. So someone who did not put in the time, effort or money to qualify should not have a shot at the "big payday". imho

On the other hand, if a person does not beat the one eventer, they don't deserve the money anyway.  

 

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Jason Isley
2005-2006-2007-2008 B Stock National Champion

With 22 people in the one eventer's class, we're already up to over $600 in payout.  It will be interesting to look back after it's over and see if the winners of this class end up clearing more money than they would have in the open class.  Anybody know how the payout is going to be divided?  All to the winner, or top 3, 5 , or whatever? 

I'm really only doing it to get the seat time in the sandbox.  The incremental cost of running the Pro is pretty small, so it's a great value for the seat time.  Having the cash payout in the class definately adds to the level of competition, and should make it an interesting race.

Having run on index in the P1 class, I will say that index classes like this will require both skill and luck to end up on top.  The indexes are obviously not perfect and are highly course and weather dependent. 

-Chris

RX7 KLR:

Whiplash_Motorsports:

As a 1 eventer, I could win the Finale, but not the season championship because I wouldnt get any Finale points. Its not hard....they do it for the divisional series all the time.......

The problem I have with that is that most of the contingency awards for the finale are doubled, or more, over a regular Pro. So someone who did not put in the time, effort or money to qualify should not have a shot at the "big payday". imho

On the other hand, if a person does not beat the one eventer, they don't deserve the money anyway.  

 

 

Maybe they could devise a seperate payout for the Season Championship results vs the event results?

I really have no idea, just thinking out loud.............

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I live my life one cone at a time........

Whiplash_Motorsports:

 

Maybe they could devise a seperate payout for the Season Championship results vs the event results?

I really have no idea, just thinking out loud.............

They do that now. There is the single payout for the Finale, which is more than double of a regular Pro. Then the season end awards, which are also very generous.

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Jason Isley
2005-2006-2007-2008 B Stock National Champion